To think police should just ram motorcyclists who try and flee?

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We've got people on mopeds throwing acid around in London. People on dirt bikes throwing bricks in Birmingham. The police are always cautious about pursuing motorbikes because they don't want to injure the rider, and the criminals know this full well.

AIBU to want the police to just get tough and ram the feckers? They chose to get on the bike and run from the police, they should take the consequences. Not be free to ride off into the sunset and commit more violent crimes against the public.

They can't. You know they can't. It's frustrating for those being terrorised but there's really no way they could do that.

Locally there was an issues with dirt bikes and antisocial behaviour. Every summer it flares up. Occasionally they send in police on off road bikes but there aren't many of them and it's a big county.

And who will get blamed when the motorbikes hits the pavement and wipes out a pram?

Think on

...and possibly face manslaughter charges themselves when they are only doing their jobs?

Araiwa, we have a problem here with motorbikes on the pavements to steal bags and phone. I don't one person (including me) who they disn't try/managed to steal something from. They target women with children because we won't run after them. One day, a child will be hurt by those fuckers riding on the pavement. I try to be a loving and positive person but I start to have murders' fantasies. I honestly could not give a damn if they died trying to escape. Their rights are more important than protecting us. It might change if (when) they hurt/kill a child. It shouldn't happen. But it will

*I don't know one person

Police aren't allowed to give chase, without getting permission from someone in the Control Room. By which time, the criminal is long gone. How stupid is that?

Acid and bricks? I think police are allowed to shoot criminals who are attempting to kill someone? (Am I mistaken about that?) So I don't see how ramming would be any different.

Heard an ex-policeman on radio this morning talking about moped acid attacks and moped thefts in London. Often the criminals take their helmets off when the police are in hot pursuit and throw them, because they know that the police will stop chasing immediately. Seems a crazy situation but you can imagine the outcry if one of the little darlings got injured or killed in a chase. Part of the thrill of the crime is the case, according to the ex-plod guy.

I am a hard nut - I could not give a stuff if they got killed. They could quite easily run into somebody during the chase - and they definitely cause life altering changes if they chuck acid at people.

So you think that there will be no mental repercussions for police officers who ram someone on bike who then goes on to die? You think police officers are happy to do things knowing there will be a high probability that their actions will result in the death of someone? ANd that's before you think about any injuries to the police officer from ramming a car into another vehicle.

I'm glad we hold our police to higher standards. They can't, and shouldn't go around causing serious injuries or death to people for that level of crime. Yes, killing someone with a gun who actively terrorizing people one thing, a scrote on a moped is not the same.

Vestalvirgin they can if they catch them while committing a crime, to stop them but if they are running away, they can't.... just in case something happens to the snowflakes while they run away... It gives me the rage

Hell no. You think I'm going to get suspended , and taken to court for potentially death by dangerous driving , lose my job and my pension and potentially go to jail ? So that their families can feel they got 'justice' ? Not in my lifetime.

Verypunny, there has to be a middle between ramming them and not being allowed to chase them in case they hurt themselves...

Hell no. You think I'm going to get suspended , and taken to court for potentially death by dangerous driving , lose my job and my pension and potentially go to jail ? So that their families can feel they got 'justice' ? Not in my lifetime.

I think the idea was that laws should be changed, not that police should just decide to act against it.

Or, OR they could just pull out their guns and shoot people! You know, anyone who commits a crime, just shoot them! What's with all these trials anyway? Innocent until proven guilty? Innocent until proven dead more like! Take that, criminals!!

OP, grow up.

I always wish a massive Scooby-doo style net could be dropped from a height and they'd be trapped, not hurt but just humiliated.

Your not wrong OP , until the police are protected from prosecution the vigilante motorcycle gangs will have to do the police work for them,
I just hope no more innocent robbery victims are murdered.

If moped thugs don't want to get hurt, they should pull over when requested to by the police.

Otherwise all bets are off and as far as I'm concerned, the more of these dregs get scraped off lamp-posts, the better.

I think we need to tackle this sort of crime via sentencing and (this won't be popular) by deportation.

I don't want an increase in Police Powers, except for Terrorism, the Police aren't judge and jury and as said by a Police Officer, they shouldn't have to be, or face suspension whilst the situation is investigated. If the moped riders are willing to go into the pavement to commit crimes, then they will mount the pavement if these policies were put in place. The most likely people to die are then the most vulnerable, children, the elderly or disabled. Members of the Police live in ordinary houses, that can have repercussion attacks following the death of a gang or family member.

I'm in Liverpool, we have hundreds of these scumbags, who on a personal level would happily bonnet, but someone shouldn't have to do that as part of their job.

Mopeds and dirtbikes can go on the pavement. Where do you think they'll choose to make their escape if the police can use their cars to chase them? On to pedestrian routes, weaving at speed. With fatalities.

Ah, this is when I miss good old trigger happy American police. You'd see a lot less people throwing bricks.

Until much of the general public stop bleating when some dealer crashes because he's making off from police then these policies will continue

""I think the idea was that laws should be changed, not that police should just decide to act against it.""

Every shooting gets assessed/investiged to make sure that it was justified, so do some chases/use of force etc, so every ramming would have to go through investigation.

Your very naive if you think that Police should be allowed to act aggressively without investigation. I saw enough of the abuse of Police Powers when the people of Liverpool made it clear that there won't be a EDL or other White Supremacy group march in our city. They were most definitely protecting "the bad guys" and happy to pull batons on peaceful protestors who wouldn't just move to let them march.

I believe part on the problem in London is that before the spike of these attacks in 2014 before Boris decided to remove barriers on the side of main roads ( to uncluttered the pavements) the police were able to safely force the bikes into the side of the road without hurting anyone,
Also it was 2014 when the young drug dealer died while being pursued