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Is this just real life? Is this just fantasy? ScaraMooch, keep your hands away from me. Trump continued

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orlantina · 30/07/2017 17:18

Because the last thread filled up REALLY quickly.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2986638-Seans-gone-Its-sad-Great-guy-Going-to-miss-him-Trump-continued?

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cozietoesie · 31/07/2017 14:37

I agree a bit with Northwest. The Republicans failed. He sees himself as above parties in some way, I reckon.

BossyBitch · 31/07/2017 14:55

He sees himself as above parties in some way, I reckon.

But of course he does. While failing to understand that he can't accomplish zilch without their support. Because he's ignorant like that.

PerkingFaintly · 31/07/2017 15:03

"he can't accomplish zilch without their support"

Only in a democracy...

Lweji · 31/07/2017 15:25

He sees himself as above parties in some way, I reckon.

Why run for GOP, though?

Why not as independent or as The Trump Party?

Or even as the Super Hyper Independent Trump Party?

cozietoesie · 31/07/2017 15:28

$$$$. You more or less have to be one party or the other at the beginning. (And remember, if the Republicans had delivered, every tweet would be an encomium to the GOP..)

Lweji · 31/07/2017 15:29

But he has his pen in his hand, just waiting for the bills to be signed.

It's a good excuse for his failing Presidency.

Lweji · 31/07/2017 15:30

$$$$

But... he doesn't need it. He's self funding. Because he's so rich. And has no debt. Not even to Russia. No?

cozietoesie · 31/07/2017 15:30

He believes that he, personally, is succeeding. It's the GOP that is failing him.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/07/2017 15:34

Dan Merica
Dan Merica @danmericaCNN
Trump on North Korea: 'We will handle North Korea. We will be able to handle them. It will be handled. We handle everything'

BossyBitch · 31/07/2017 15:34

To be honest - and I realise fully that I might, just might, be overly optimistic here - I very much doubt he'll be able to put an end to democracy in the US. Not, of course, because he wouldn't do it given half a chance, but because he's too chaotic and incompetent to get it done.

I'm placing my faith in his ridiculous paranoia and demands of personal loyalty here: while I absolutely do believe someone a lot smarter than the Trumpster could accomplish something like this, they'll need co-conspirators. But Trump's style doesn't really seem to accomodate alliances easily. As it it, his WH consists of a variety of factions some of whom have a bit of overlap. You have the Ivanka-Kushner lobby, the alt-righters, the Goldman-Sachsers, a bunch of GOP establishment types, the Russian connection ones plus a few random extra ones. And, so far as it's possible to tell from the outside, the various groups are moving in and out of his majesty's favour constantly. I'm thinking (and hoping) that they're just waaaaaaaay too chaotic to pull anything like an authoritarian system off. Complete breakdown of government, OTOH, well, that could potentially happen.

Coming to think of it, he really does rather remind me of king Joffrey, who, for all his cruelty, seemed to run a similar sort of shop in certain respects.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/07/2017 15:35

Steve Kopack
Steve Kopack @SteveKopack
Trump just now, repeating one of his lines from "The Apprentice": "We'll see you in the boardroom." (For a cabinet meeting)

cozietoesie · 31/07/2017 15:36

Oh there's no question that they can handle NK. It's the consequences............

cozietoesie · 31/07/2017 15:39

You might find this Politico piece interesting, Bossy.

Ivanka and Jared find their limits

Roussette · 31/07/2017 16:11

So agree with that Bossy. He doesn't come across as particularly intelligent because his thin skin and huge ego get in the way of everything, plus his desire to be liked.

He's dismissive of facts so if one WH group came to him with a good idea, because someone else thought of it, he'd likely dismiss it.

In his head, Presidents are revered, and applauded, they sign Important Papers and fly around on Air Force One, they golf and give interviews so they can preen. I bet all this work he's supposed to do has come as a huge shock

He'll do everything he can to protect his version of reality which means he doesn't really let anyone else in, in case they come across as more astute, clever and knowledgeable. He has both insecurity and arrogance and can't bear to be out of the spotlight which I think will be his undoing. (tweeting the whole time is an example of this)

Sorry, am musing then rambling Smile

cozietoesie · 31/07/2017 16:19

You're musing - but by no means rambling, Roussette. Smile

lionheart · 31/07/2017 17:23

'He'll do everything he can to protect his version of reality which means he doesn't really let anyone else in, in case they come across as more astute, clever and knowledgeable. He has both insecurity and arrogance and can't bear to be out of the spotlight which I think will be his undoing. (tweeting the whole time is an example of this)' Roussette.

Makes perfect sense.

Plus the cruelty that runs through him will make enemies of many.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/07/2017 17:54

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/henrygomez/rnc-tells-staff-to-preserve-all-documents-related-to-2016

RNC Tells Staff To Preserve All Documents Related To 2016 Campaign
According to the memo, the RNC “has not been contacted regarding any of the ongoing investigations” — but the committee has instructed employees not to delete or modify any documents related to last year’s campaign.

BossyBitch · 31/07/2017 17:58

PainInTheEar, wow! That could almost be taken to mean 'please, please, please contact us for dirt so that we have a chance to get rid of him!'

I think the Sessions episode may have pushed a few important Republicans over the edge. It's just an inkling at the moment, but that's how I feel the pendulum is swinging at present.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/07/2017 18:11

The pendulum swings in one trajectory...

shareblue.com/trump-approval-crashes-20-percent-in-poll-he-touted-as-most-accurate/#.WX9cEacwkAo.twitter

cozietoesie · 31/07/2017 18:14

From that piece, lion.

"It defined the strategy that dominated Washington for the next four decades, captured in Mr. Kennan’s line that the “United States policy toward the Soviet Union must be that of a long-term, patient but firm and vigilant containment of Russian expansive tendencies.”

You really think that 45 is capable of that?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/07/2017 18:17

I'm Blush at the pendulum swinging in one trajectory because the thing that pendulums are renowned for is for swinging back and forth. Whoops.

Roussette · 31/07/2017 18:23

Blimey! So Rasmussen poll is the one he really rates (and says so in a tweet!) and now it has him at 39% he's a bit quiet! I knew those tweets would come back to haunt him bit by bit....

I love how he tweets that there's no WH chaos! Which means there obviously is!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/07/2017 18:31

www.wired.com/story/republican-staffer-the-donald-resolution/amp

A GOP STAFFER CROWDSOURCED AN ANTI-CLINTON RESOLUTION FROM REDDIT

cozietoesie · 31/07/2017 18:35

A Beast piece on Mr Boente. Smile

The quiet one