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To think the 'information' the midwife gave me is almost propaganda?

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ethelfleda · 29/07/2017 21:14

Recently had 24 week appointment. This is our first. Midwife asked if I had thought about feeding yet. I said I plan on breastfeeding. I say 'plan' because (as with everything else baby related) I am trying to keep an open mind as from what I hear, things don't always go according to plan! So I will try hard to breastfeed but I won't beat myself up if it doesn't work out for us.
She handed me a 20 odd page pamphlet thing and said it contained useful information on caring for a new born.

I started to read it today thinking it would be basic NHS info on how to feed, wind and change your baby etc. It was actually 20 odd pages of info telling me basically that if i don't breastfeed, my baby is more likely to develop cancer (as am I) as well as be admitted to hospital in their first year of life etc etc among other very scary statistics.
The language used was shocking IMO! And seemingly designed to make women who don't/can't breastfeed feel awful! Has anyone else had this information handed to them and thought it was way over the top??

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TittyGolightly · 01/08/2017 16:13

having watched a couple of friends doing it, that it's exhausting, and combines the particular difficulties of both types of feeding in one.

And some amazing advantages.

E.g. Night time breastmilk has hormones which makes babies more wakeful. Daytime milk doesn't. Expressing meant that I could switch them. Grin

My DD also liked her milk warmer than body temperature, so not sure how she'd have felt about milk directly from me.

I could also see how much DD was getting, and the composition of the milk (fascinating).

Mychildcouldnotbreaatfeed · 01/08/2017 16:15

I wouldn't pass any judgement on it. I wouldn't be painting it in any kind of negative light it's a perfectly valid feeding choice.

After all - I'm all for bodily autonomy and women making their own choices around pregnancy and whether or not to have an abortion for example so I don't see how I can sit in judgement of another valid choice.

It's not neglecful or bad it's a fair choice and I don't think I have any right to sit in judgement

TittyGolightly · 01/08/2017 16:17

I wouldn't advise either way either.

AssassinatedBeauty · 01/08/2017 16:21

Hands up then, I'm a bad judgemental friend/relative.

TittyGolightly · 01/08/2017 16:22

Would you give an opinion on BF/FFbeing too much work?

AssassinatedBeauty · 01/08/2017 16:24

Yep. I'd give my opinion if someone asked for it.

User843022 · 01/08/2017 16:38

'Oh come on. If a friend or relative asked me about choosing to exclusively express I would say how much work it is and suggest that they try and avoid it if at all possible. Would that be advising and wrong'

Yes but as tittygolightly said you might also say but if you want to do it the up sides are your dp can do the bottles and the night feeds so it does have its pros.

blacksax · 01/08/2017 16:40

When I had my dc in the late 90's I was unable to breastfeed. If I'd been given a leaflet like this it would have made me feel even more awful than I already did, incredibly guilty, and a total failure as a mother.

This thread makes for very depressing reading, and I feel truly sorry for all those it will negatively affect.

It is every mother's free choice to feed her baby however she chooses, and let's be honest, everybody these days knows about the benefits of breastfeeding. We don't need any more 'raising awareness' about this, we just need to help people if they need help - and stop the guilt-tripping.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza · 01/08/2017 16:47

The Norwegian c-section rate is not 6%(!), it's 16%.

6% are the planned c-sections. Emergency sections make up the rest.

The only countries with section rates as low as 6% are all developing nations with horrific maternal and perinatal mortality rates.

Those countries also generally have impressively high breastfeeding rates. Which is a useful reminder that good health for women and children does not start and end with breastfeeding.

BertrandRussell · 01/08/2017 17:19

Are you really saying that nobody should ever offer a friend or relation any advice about anything?

user1489675144 · 01/08/2017 18:11

We have very low rates of breastfeeding compared to some other countries.... it is better for the child ..... some people just don't even try!

They are attempting to 'educate' mothers... some including my SIS just didn't bother at all - odd but this strange attitude seems common in the UK hence the information leaflet (or as you called it propaganda!!!) It is just education of the facts

user1489675144 · 01/08/2017 18:14

I actually think that some women (my sil included) actually convine themselves they cannot do it or it will be 'too much trouble' or are just too plain ignorant to try.

User843022 · 01/08/2017 18:32

'or are just too plain ignorant to try.'

Yes, must be that! Lovely opinion .

Any minute someone will come along and say people don't judge those that choose other methods of infant feeding Grin

SpecSpenders · 01/08/2017 18:34

"It is every mother's free choice to feed her baby however she chooses, and let's be honest, everybody these days knows about the benefits of breastfeeding. We don't need any more 'raising awareness' about this, we just need to help people if they need help - and stop the guilt-tripping."

I don't believe that's true at all. I have bf 3 of mine and have also trained as a BF supporter. I have read myriad's of books and know for example that bm is tailor made for the needs of baby e.g. different consistency during hot weather. I did not know that night milk make baby more awake and am glad I learned something new on this thread.

Hearing 'breast is best' is naff now, tired old slogan with a lot of problems. Probably it was conceived during the time when Nike's "Just do it" type of slogans were all the rage. Giving actual facts such as how the milk changes to produce the right type of food for a baby in terms of anti bodies, water content and such like would illustrate why breast is best much more.

I'd like to see a change in breastfeeding policy from BF promotion to BF advocacy which focuses on the needs of women during the antenatal, post partum and weaning stages. Let's move on from the patronising and victorian model of 'we know what's best' to an approach that takes into account the diverse lives of pregnant mothers and that promoting bf needs to acknowledge that we are competing with breast milk substitute industry, low bf rates in the UK, societal barriers and all other barriers such as sex abuse and so on. There are many women who have experienced different levels of abuse some of whom would have a huge issue with bf due to the trauma they have experienced. Others have different cultural norms for instance in many Asian and African cultures babies are given solids with the first few weeks. BF policy needs to catch up with the times.

I agree that dishing out stats about cancer in an antenatal brochure is a sensitive issue, and i doubt that any woman chooses to bf her child because of that one fact.

Facts can be conveyed in a sensitive manner it's about communication and reaching out to mothers and their families.

I am passionate about bf but I am also a feminist and there are issues about women feeling unable to bf because of social norms and felinity, sexiness etc. It's a bit cruel to shout "breast is best" without a commitment to address structural barriers such as formal marketing. For instance the UK is not fully compliant with the WHO International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes, which is a bit hypocritical.

Stop laying the blame on women and start tackling the myriad's of tough barriers to bf whilst supporting mothers and presenting evidence based facts in a sensitive manner.

End of rant.

Mychildcouldnotbreaatfeed · 01/08/2017 18:34

Exactly Myrtle. Of course they don't. They would just strongly advise against some methods.

SpecSpenders · 01/08/2017 18:37

*Facts can be conveyed in a sensitive manner it's about communication and reaching out to mothers and their families.

And not hitting them over the head with hard core 'facts' such as cancer stats to make women bf.

User843022 · 01/08/2017 18:58

'Of course they don't. They would just strongly advise against some methods.' Grin

Yes they are just sharing their opinion don't you know!

mumto2two · 01/08/2017 19:01

My mother and her siblings were not breast fed...and all bar one died young from cancer. And as for my own experience, the one child I did manage to breastfeed for almost a year, is the one in our family with major health issues, and severe allergies to boot. If I'd received a leaflet like that, I'd have laughed!

mumto2two · 01/08/2017 19:01

Were breastfed!

TittyGolightly · 01/08/2017 19:08

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40787760

User843022 · 01/08/2017 19:33

Think its a good idea and bf should be included as part of biology classes, sex education whatever.

'When we asked groups of children and young people what they thought about breastfeeding, we were really surprised - and a little bit upset - to hear the word 'yucky' being used by them," Prof Modi said.'

Although I do think prof Modi sounds a bit precious, groups of young children think many things are 'yucky'.

Mychildcouldnotbreaatfeed · 01/08/2017 19:35

Boobies willies and bums are yucky to kids. They all go through that phase. The prof sounds a bit naive really.

tiktok · 01/08/2017 19:48

Night time breastmilk does not keep the baby awake - I saw someone post this earlier today and decided to let it go, but now I see another poster believes it.

It's quite the opposite.

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091001091757.htm

tiktok · 01/08/2017 19:52

Impressive science there mumto2.

Do let the boffins know, won't you?

After all, your sample of five or six completely overturns the evidence :)

I'm sorry to be sarcastic in the context of your personal and sad experiences....but really. Grow up.

User843022 · 01/08/2017 20:01

'I'm sorry to be sarcastic in the context of your personal and sad experiences....but really. Grow up.'

Yes you sound really sorry. I think mum was just sharing her own personal experience possibly not proposing to submit a research paper on it.

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