Labour 'could reverse Brexit'

[LovelyBath77]

On the newspaper today the London mayor says he thinks this could happen

But- 1. Labour are pro Brexit
2. Could they call another election?

I still can't make sense of all political happenings tbh. I feel disenfranchised in a way. I want a centrist, safe, reasonable, Remain party. There's is none, we're swinging too far to the right or to the left for me. But maybe that's just me.

No not just you Chardonnay. I am with you all the way.

Too high tax, mansion tax, in some aspects they are to the left of Labour.

Violet they do I think, or don't they? But Tim Farron wasn't up to snuff. And Brexit was no longer top of the agenda for many.

A lot is depending on Vince I think.

The thing I don't understand is why Europe is so wedded to freedom of movement that's the main reason why most people voted to leave. Schengen has been suspended in many places Austria have tanks at the border with Italy FFS. Would it be so terrible if people needed a visa to work in another country in Europe. I wouldn't imagine it wouldnt even be that hard to get one if you had a job offer, could prove you were who you said you were and don't have a criminal record.

Crisp and Chardonnay was just wondering why the Lib Dems who are centrist and remain weren't picking up as many of the remain votes as I would have expected, you've both given good reasons.

I work all over the world... applying for visas is simple x

I read that if the lib gems have the proportion of the overall vote they would have more of a vote share /MPs but in most cases people see them as a wasted vote unfortunately depending on what area to live in. My area is traditionally lib dem so they got in again, and here labour would have been a wasted vote. but if a shame really. Don't think the leader did them many favours this time as well.

Genuine question Gemini69 is it simple or were you being sarcastic. I've only ever applied for a working holiday visa which was pretty straightforward however that was just for a year in Australia.

LovelyBath do you mean Tim Farron or Jeremy Corbyn as the leader not doing their respective party any favours ?

All figures except actual election results are estimates - and that is a kind description.

We don't know the split of vote by age, income or anything else.

Think that's why there is no simple correlation between how people voted in the EU referendum and how they vote in a general election. So many other factors come into play.

I work all over the world... applying for visas is simple x

Something about this comment makes me highly doubt that.

I work all over the world... applying for visas is simple
This wins the "most out-of-touch comment of the year" award.

Having given the Article 50 notification, the UK government may have no power to stop Brexit whatever party and PM are in charge. Article 50 states that extending the 2-year negotiation period requires the unanimous agreement of all other EU states via the European Council. It's possible that cancelling the UK's withdrawal altogether would require the same unanimous agreement. If it happened, I'm sure it would end up before a bunch of courts.

Yes, the Lords asked for legal advice on this question

publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201516/ldselect/ldeucom/138/138.pdf.

I thought there was a loophole in Article 50 that would allow the UK to stay in the EU (without going through Article 49). Basically, the UK can change its mind after the Article 50 request is made as long as no final agreement on Brexit has been reached. As previously mentioned, it would probably take a change of government to do this. . But time is very tight, the UK would have to make that U-turn before the rest of the EU voted on the Article 50 request, and before the two-year deadline elapsed.

Meant to add that Lord's asked for legal advice after there were a long series of consultations in Parl Committees … where the quality of the evidence given was really poor and lacking in detail.

well I'm at the airport just now.. and I'm flying to the USA.. your welcome to join me..

oh and I have an L1 Visa ...

Sure, if you say so. It's so sad when people make things up about themselves on the internet in order to prove a needless point.

I work in a different country. Visas are pains in the arse

Violet I meant Tim Farron.

Thanks LovelyBath

I've always felt that Brexit is total madness and David Cameron thought so too. He went ahead with the referendum because it was a safe way of keeping his party happy( therefore his position safe) as most Brits could see it was madness to leave the EU and It would never go through. Unfortunately, the people with most to lose from Brexit mistakenly saw their vote as some sort of protest against austerity cuts, low public sector wages and cuts in public services. Boris et al spotted this and preyed on it with their focus on giving more to NHS and getting rid of migrant or EU workers who drive wages down ( definitely not Tory voting employers doing this!)
Around Christmas, it was obvious certain food items and foreign holidays were 20% higher. Why was the country not making a fuss about this? Approaching the triggering of Article 50 it became frighteningly obvious that none of our elected leaders had a bloody clue what the future deal would be. Again the country not making a fuss. The govenment still don't have a clue how Brexit is going to happen and what effects it will have. Are we not a little bit worried about this?
The whole idea is madness and the PM in charge didn't even vote for it. When I discuss this with Leavers they say it was a democratic vote. How can that vote be valid though when it was based on no detail and some downright lies.
Labour has very little power to do much. In my heart of hearts I'm hoping the tories will do one of two things. Either, putting the national good before their own political careers, they'll own up and admit it is total madness and that in the interest of national wellbeing it can't go ahead or , once theywork out the deal, they will carry out another referendum so that people can vote, knowing the implications of their vote.
Democracy means however that those of us seriously worried our country is going to be seriously weakened by Brexit, have no voice.

They could if they got into power but that won't happen with Corbyn leading the party and he won't be challenged for some time.

Labour will move more to the left which will alienate floating and centre the voters which really won't be apparent until labour have lost yet another election (or find themselves in opposition again) by the time Labour are in power it will be far too late to reverse Brexit

I do think Khan has his sights on being leader of the Labour Party he needs to prove himself as mayor first

well I'm at the airport just now.. and I'm flying to the USA.. your welcome to join me..

It takes a lot of apathy and self-congratulatory smugness idiocity and lack of empathy to write this instead of asking from fellow human beings why their experience of visa processing has been has been too hard.