Labour 'could reverse Brexit'

[LovelyBath77]

On the newspaper today the London mayor says he thinks this could happen

But- 1. Labour are pro Brexit
2. Could they call another election?

Richmond wasn't pro-Brexit, voted massively in favour to Remain.

Everyone was given a Vote.. a Vote happened... the Vote was Counted... Result Brexit ... the end x

I couldn't care less about Labour... with Diane Abbot that supports Riots and Corbyn who lies to the youngest Voters we have
The biggest insult here in this statement is to our younger voters (who by the way have every right to have an independant opinion and are expected to pay taxes into the system etc; what is "youngest" voter by the way?).
You want the NHS-selling, fox-killing Tories? You are welcome to the lot of them.

So many unfactual statements on this thread ie Corbyn saying he was 70% in favour of Brexit, Richmond previously pro-Brexit, Abbott supporting riots, Corbyn lying to young voters. No wonder leave won when people don't bother to check out the most basic of facts.

Ah Labour the pro big business party of the upper middle classes.

Valentine2 I do agree about Cameron being criminally negligent ... maybe we could get him charged for treason or similar Yes, I suppose I am forgetting about the youth vote, but I fear Brexit will be done and dusted before they get a look in.

VioletParis that's what I meant, why did Richmond Park go from being very pro-Brexit in the referendum to re-electing Zac Goldsmith in the last election? The lib dems did gain a big percentage of the vote but they didn't win. Which might suggest that some remainers have (depressingly in my view) "settled" for Brexit if that makes sense.

Violetparis I think the Richmond pro brexit thing was a typo I suspect the poster meant pro remain.

Valentine2 taken from Wikipedia about Richmond Park constituency

"In the 2016 referendum on the UK's membership of the European Union, the constituency is estimated to have voted to remain in the European Union by 72%.[2]"

taken from here.

Oh I'm very sorry, that was indeed a typo, many apologies!

Sadiq is starting to get on my nerves. Which surprises me.

What I was trying to say - not at all well with typos - is that I suspect the pro-Labour MPs (or indeed any politician really) are not putting their heads above the parapet because they sense there isn't the political will for it any more among current eligible voters. People don't like the thought of Europe and that's that. I didn't think this was the case at first, but I have recently come to this depressing conclusion. Those of us who want Brexit to be reversed are in the minority.

I do wish that a serious polling company (if such a thing exists) would actually do some research on this.

I was using the Richmond example to illustrate this point but made a bad typo - sorry.

So far, only Tony Blair, Ken Livingstone and Tim Farron have spoken out and said Brexit would be an outright disaster and their views went down badly or were ignored. That could be for other reasons though ... It's such a dog's dinner.

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The Labour Party are caught between a rock and a hard place. Their core working class vote mainly voted Brexit. Corbyn like many old school left wing socialists were antiEU because of the perceived threat cheap labour would have on the English working classes wages and standard of living. I don't think he ever changed his position on this just making token gestures to the more centre left Labour Party. The Labour Party is a divided party and both sides need each other and when it comes to Brexit it's really threatening the stability of the party.

I will be glad when Brexit is over, and I think most people just want it over with. So we can pick up the pieces and move on. It's like pulling a plaster off really, really slowly...

VioletParis that's what I meant, why did Richmond Park go from being very pro-Brexit in the referendum to re-electing Zac Goldsmith in the last election? The lib dems did gain a big percentage of the vote but they didn't win. Which might suggest that some remainers have (depressingly in my view) "settled" for Brexit if that makes sense.

It makes sense. There was no pro leave party in the last elections, apart from Lib Dem and Lib Dems weren't a viable alternative.
Also, Heathrow. Zac Goldsmith is anti Heathrow.

What's needed now is to achieve Brexit as painlessly as possible and then run another referendum in 10 years' time.

Continual rocking of the boat and renegade remarks are not helpful.

Crispdeficiency - thanks for clarifying, I agree there doesn't seem to be the will for a reversal. I am torn with it all as I voted remain but feel uncomfortable/undemocratic by attempts to reverse the result. Cameron should never have called the referendum in the first place !

It seems to me though that Sadiq has his eye on the Labour Party leadership.

Good post captain

Feeling a bit ruffled someone thought I read the DM.

Didn't he talk about going for the leadership at some point?

It feels like everyone is just fed up with it all and as little will for a reversal as there is with going forward. Like we all have Brexit fatigue...not surprisingly.

Indeed VioletParis (about Cameron)!

Chardonnay yes, agree about Sadiq, it will be interesting to see if he has enough allies? And re: Richmond, I know Heathrow had a lot to do with it, and Goldsmith was perceived to have integrity because he followed through with stepping down over the expansion decision etc, so that bit does make sense in a way. But imho it also still illustrates that other issues topped Brexit ifyswim.

I think lots of people share your sentiments op!

Captain I fear the final ripping off of the plaster, will not be the end of the pain ... rather the reverse.

I want to stay so good

I don't think the other issues toppled Brexit.

How could Richmond park have shown support for Remain? As with the whole county, there was no viable Remain position , it was the Lib Dems, and remember, Goldsmith only won by 45 votes, agains them it was one of the tightest contests.

I am being cynical, but I think Sadiq Khan has seen an opportunity in the Remain market and wants to use it.

The Tories won't risk another general election so it is the Tories who will preside over Brexit. Doing a great job so far

As for people getting bored of Brexit, tough. It was always going to be a difficult and drawn out process. I guess taking back control isn't as exciting as it was made out.