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narcisstic grant parent

92 replies

babapinksheep · 25/07/2017 10:38

How would I best go about coping with a narcisstic grand parent if YOU have to have contact ? so going absolutely no contact isn't an option but tbh its dragging me down know & affecting my life & mental health quite badly :(

OP posts:
Helendee · 25/07/2017 11:49

I know there are some circumstances when NC is probably the best solution but I can't help but feel it's suggested far too often and sometimes for the most trivial reasons.

It shouldn't be undertaken lightly as in effect it is denying a child the right to see its own family and to know its own family history and heritage.
There must be a better way in most cases?

Dawndonnaagain · 25/07/2017 11:50

Those of us with narcissistic mothers are always terrified of turning into them. We don't. I cannot see why no contact is not an option. Do you want your dd exposed to this? Because trust me, she'll start on her. My mother tried with my dds. Went NC. Been bliss.

Justhadmyhaircut · 25/07/2017 11:53

Grandmother of the year she is not. . How the hell would she get contact in court Persian??!
GPS have no rights. .
Unless she can prove a consistent, positive addition to gc-and has had unsupervised care over a long period of time, she will get f all. .

babapinksheep · 25/07/2017 11:58

We live on our own so not with her I am quite a young parent and on my own atm . I also think this is why the situation has escalated to this point as there is no-one to stick up for me or call her out on the behaviour .

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Dawndonnaagain · 25/07/2017 12:00

Abuse is abuse. Get in touch with your GP, they can arrange counselling for you to help you stand up to her. You can also get a non molestation order in place, if you do the paperwork yourself it costs nothing.

Mummyoflittledragon · 25/07/2017 12:05

It sounds as though you need support, not berating. I'd go NC and find some nice substitute grandparents. Little children and the elderly have lots in common. Is there a nice old man and/or lady around? Or anyone younger and retired living near you? I used to pop in and visit the neighbours regularly with dd when she was little.

Silverdream · 25/07/2017 12:07

She seems to be controlling you even when you are not together. You seem to be drawn to need to see her.
What do your siblings do ?
You need to see that you are in control of your life and who you see or don't see.

Be in control of when you see her and for how long.

Have one line that you have practiced so it's at the front of your mind such as "we have to agree to disagree "
Use this line when ever she says something toxic. Don't say anything else. Don't enter into conversation. Just say the line and repeat it calmly if needed. If she gets no other feed back she can't continue the conversation.

Why do you feel hurt by what she says. Don't ! Repeating this line will also teach your brain that she is wrong. That she was wrong how she treated you as a child and she is wrong now. You need to get your subconscious memory to understand it.

Talk to yourself like your advising a friend. What would you tell her todo.

Think of your daughter she is far more important than your mother.

WhereYouLeftIt · 25/07/2017 12:07

"she had lots of children"
So you have siblings? Where are they? Do they maintain a relationship with her? With you? With each other? Do you support each other, or has she successfully set you against each other?

Please follow toomuchtooold's recommendation of visiting the Stately Homes threads. You will find people like yourself with mothers like yours. You are not alone in this.

And I would seriously consider going NC. She will not change, and she will damage your daughter.

LagunaBubbles · 25/07/2017 12:08

It shouldn't be undertaken lightly as in effect it is denying a child the right to see its own family and to know its own family history and heritage. There must be a better way in most cases?

Do you honestly think when it comes to a parent - one of the 2 people who is meant to love, protect and look out for you your entire life more than anyone else - that people go no contact lightly? But when the parent is an abuser there is no other better way. Ive seen the damage parents can do to their children that can last a lifetime.

PeppaPigTastesLikeBacon · 25/07/2017 12:11

Do you live with your mum or financially reliant? Otherwise I don't see how it's not an option.
I'm NC with my dad so cutting a parent out can happen

toomuchtooold · 25/07/2017 12:12

GPs can and do get contact orders for their GC.

Like haircut says I don't think she'd get far but this is another reason to go NC with toxic grandparents. Easiest way to guarantee they won't get anywhere with a contact order is to make sure your kids never have a relationship with them.

Sugarpiehoneyeye · 25/07/2017 12:12

You need to allow yourself to go ' no contact ', however you would need help with this, please see your GP, who can organise some counselling for you. If you can speak up, you will no longer be alone.
You have suffered enough.
Your mother has the power to damage your sweet little daughter, never leave them alone together.
Your anxiety will cease, when this horrible situation is sorted out. 🌺

PersianCatLady · 25/07/2017 12:14

Grandmother of the year she is not. . How the hell would she get contact in court Persian??!
I know of GPS who have gone to court and been given contact with GC.

One particular pair were awful parents but they made their own child out to be an awful parent and as they had enough money to spend on a great solicitor and barrister, they almost broke their own child in getting the contact.

toomuchtooold · 25/07/2017 12:15

Helendee
I know there are some circumstances when NC is probably the best solution but I can't help but feel it's suggested far too often and sometimes for the most trivial reasons.

The OP's mother whipped her and left her so hungry that she would take butter tubs out the bin to lick them. That's not trivial. If you think that NC is sometimes suggested for trivial reasons then I think you should raise that on the threads where it's happening. Because it's not happening here. And frankly, it comes across like an attempt to minimise the abuse that the OP suffered.

Helendee · 25/07/2017 12:16

LagunaBubbles

Yes I do think some people do it too quickly, I have known someone cut her MIL out of her children's life because she committed the cardinal sin of buying too many Christmas presents for her grandchildren.
There are many grandparents out there who are deprived of their grandchildren for the most,seemingly, trivial of reasons. I know quite a few personally. However, I did say that sometimes it might be the best route to take though.

WhereYouLeftIt · 25/07/2017 12:17

" [going NC] shouldn't be undertaken lightly as in effect it is denying a child the right to see its own family and to know its own family history and heritage. There must be a better way in most cases?"
Helendee, would you recommend a daughter continue contact with her mother, if that mother physically slapped her across the face every time she walked through the front door? This really is no different. Indeed, it can be far worse.

OP's daughter can get her family history and heritage from the OP. And other family members. She doesn't have to be exposed to an abusive woman for that.

Helendee · 25/07/2017 12:18

Toomuchtooold

My post was a general one about going NC and wasn't a direct reply to the OP so I apologise to her if it came across like that.

Helendee · 25/07/2017 12:19

Where....

If you had read my post correctly you would see that I said it was the right thing to do in some circumstances and I have just explained my reply wasn't in direct response to the OP's post.

LagunaBubbles · 25/07/2017 12:20

Helendee under no stretch of the imagination is the abuse the OP received trivial though is it?

PurityOfChaos · 25/07/2017 12:20

Is this what you want for your DD, by allowing this your DD is seeing this behaviour as acceptable. Do you want your DD to grow up and be in a relationship where she is treated like this because she believes it is normal.

I went NC with my Dad after years because I kept hoping he would change. I finally realised he wouldn't and although it was hard to face that I didn't have the parent I wanted, I was happier once I accepted it.

Helendee · 25/07/2017 12:24

Laguna.

No it isn't but I wasn't replying directly to her post was I!

happypoobum · 25/07/2017 12:24

I agree with PP, you have a duty to protect your child from abusers. Why are you not prepared to do this?

It's the very basic level of parenting.

OhTheRoses · 25/07/2017 12:25

I'm not sure narcissism can be diagnosed on the internet. My mother never hit me except for a few slaps and the one time she beat me up when I was 9 because I didn't want to stay at school for lunch - so she got me all day, cried and I had to tell my father I fell of a wall I had walked along.

I had lovely clothes, lovely home, a pony!!

My mother used to tell people I was a difficult child, that I wasn't very bright , I was too plain to wear pink. Her entire life revolved around what she wanted to do. She has been married three times. Her last husband enables possibly because he's rather keen on spending her inheritance. I doubt there's much left after 30 years.

She has never praised me or been proud of me. She criticises and belittles. The only time she has ever said anything positive about me was when dd was about six and I said "doesn't she look lovely" and in front of dd retorted not as lovely as you and me were at six. At 12 dd came home from a visit and said "I'm not going again mummy, I don't know how you put up with her". Until I had a child I saw it as me being the problem not her.

Over the years she has developed intense relationships with "friends". After about a year or two those friendships end on bitter feuds and fall outs. A couple of couples, elderly now, still send me a birthday card, say "you're a good girl" and pat my hand if they see me, once a flood, in the village. Sometimes I tell myself I've made it all up in my head. Then I remember hiding my firstborn and sobbing for hours knowing my entire being was there to support and protect him.
I call weekly and visit quarterly to every six months. I never look forward to it, there will never be joy or warmth. If ever I have broached a child's naughtiness it has been my parenting that has caused it.

Dd has been ill in the last few years with anxiety and depression and anorexia. My mother doesn't know because it will be me to blame. We are through the worst and dd has a neuro developmental disorder which was eventually diagnosed and with the right treatment and therapy she has bounced back. She is more fragile than me and I dread to think of the damage my mother would have wrought on her. Mine was relatively limited. I question my own parenting constantly.

I'm sorry that was long and about me op. It could almost be construed as narcissistic but what I am trying to say is that you must manage her and your feelings at the same time and protect your child. It isn't your fault. Never was. Never will be.

I'm 57. I would still like to please my mother. I know it hurts.

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babapinksheep · 25/07/2017 12:26

Whereyouleftit -Yes lots of siblings some are still in contact with her 3 have cut her off . No real relationship as the older children were actively encourged to get involved when the beatings happended . the ones that were not in trouble were aloud to beat the child who had done some something wrong & take part in the humiliation afterwards ect

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Gingerandgivingzerofucks · 25/07/2017 12:26

Please read Out of the Fog. You need to understand that you're allowed to go nc with her. I'm sure you don't want her having an influence over your dd. Don't live your life around your mother, you are in charge of your life and that of your dd.