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Sean's gone. It's sad. Great guy. Going to miss him.Trump continued

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orlantina · 22/07/2017 22:26

New thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2977693-The-thread-where-we-meet-to-discuss-the-unfolding-Trump-administration-catastrophe-but-end-up-discussing-adoptions-from-Russia?msgid=70627530

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Lweji · 23/07/2017 23:44

Indeed, he has all the makings of a dictator. And that is scary.

I was going to suggest a phenomenal drinking game for when the Lizzard is talking, which would get us all hammered and we may need it when Trump goes as far as he wants.

cozietoesie · 24/07/2017 00:16

Huckleberry is on the way out.

Lweji · 24/07/2017 00:22

Apparently, G20 dinner staff have leaked what Trump said to Putin at that dinner.

And speaking of other leaks...

Allegedly.
cozietoesie · 24/07/2017 00:49

Thanks, Lweji. Smile

TheClaws · 24/07/2017 01:00

On nicknames for Scaramucci, something that amuses me as an English geek, I've gone to the non-trouble I've looking up the definitions for you. 'Scaramouche' is fitting but long-winded, but simple 'Mooch' also sits nicely.

Scaramouche
Scaramuccia (literally "little skirmisher"), also known as Scaramouche or Scaramouch, is a stock clown character of the Italian commedia dell'arte.

Mooch
mooch/muːtʃ
noun
an instance of loitering in a bored or listless manner
a beggar or scrounger.

TheClaws · 24/07/2017 01:12

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 10m10 minutes ago
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If Republicans don't Repeal and Replace the disastrous ObamaCare, the repercussions will be far greater than any of them understand!

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 14m14 minutes ago
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It's hard to read the Failing New York Times or the Amazon Washington Post because every story/opinion, even if should be positive, is bad!

cozietoesie · 24/07/2017 01:24

Why did he give the NYT a lengthy personal interview last week, by the way ? Grin

TheClaws · 24/07/2017 01:34

I'm guessing Lou Dobbs is a Fox News person? Grin

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 9m9 minutes ago
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Thank you to @LOUDOBBS for giving the first six months of the Trump Administration an A+. S.C.,reg cutting,Stock M, jobs,border etc. = TRUE!

Lweji · 24/07/2017 01:37

Bingo!

TheClaws · 24/07/2017 01:38

Cozie, I wonder if it's one of those love/hate relationships he has going with the NYT, just like he has with Obama. Perhaps he secretly wishes to be adored by the NYT, and just can't stand (or understand) the negative coverage he is receiving. ??

TheClaws · 24/07/2017 01:39

Grin Lweji

AcrossthePond55 · 24/07/2017 03:22

Oh, Scare-a-mooch, you're going to have to do much better than this. Outing your boss on your first day at work. Yeah, that's not so good (for him).

www.newsweek.com/scaramucci-first-cites-anonymous-source-russia-probe-then-outs-trump-source-640764

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/07/2017 04:22

Re: trump's relationship with the nyt - sarah kendzior had a different perspective that I'd never considered before.

Sarah Kendzior
Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
NYT covering for Trump instead of covering Trump has a long and unfortunate history. Documentation here.

NYT similar to National Enquirer -- not in style, but because they've admitted Trump team instructs their coverage

mobile.twitter.com/i/moments/888103773276704769?m=1

CaveMum · 24/07/2017 04:28

Well SCROTUSisnt going to be happy about this: IMF downgrade US (and U.K.) growth forecast - www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40697473

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/07/2017 04:34

And someone else who thinks along the similar lines:

Maggie Haberman
Maggie Haberman @maggieNYT
Trump’s Attack on Russia Inquiry Is From Familiar Playbook: The Clintons’ via @peterbakernyt
<a class="break-all" href="https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/us/politics/trump-russia-investigation-strategy-clintons.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur&referer=t.co/Cm4VymRudN" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/us/politics/trump-russia-investigation-strategy-clintons.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur&referer=t.co/Cm4VymRudN

Eric Boehlert @EricBoehlert
Every president subjected to a IC has kicked back hard. These guys are willing to bring down the whole DOJ. NYT and Clintons is beyond nuts.

T. R. Ramachandran @yottapoint
I've said a few times that the New York Times political desk has been a key factor in the degradation of American democracy.

False equivalence on Clinton & Trump and marginal investigative journalism on Trump in '16 was a hallmark of NYT

Eric Boehlert @EricBoehlert
Trump's just like them is literally why we're in this national crisis

if you write abt politics for living, watch Trump for last 10 days and think "Clinton did that," find another line of work

T. R. Ramachandran @yottapoint
The disturbing part: people at NYT who were partly responsible for the mess we are in are more likely to be promoted

T. R. Ramachandran @yottapoint
I wrote this late last year. A few good pieces of journalism don't erase a terrible legacy.

T. R. Ramachandran
T. R. Ramachandran @yottapoint
1) Let’s discuss why you should NOT trust the @nytimes for political coverage of Dems / tweetstorm kanvz’d here: t.co/JyYpykr68K?amp=1

[link to rest of thread here as there are too many articles and pics to link: mobile.twitter.com/yottapoint/status/800884753134067712 ]

T. R. Ramachandran @yottapoint
Nothing or scraps on Trump Fdn, businesses, emails, Russia - and NYT was all in w 600+ articles on HRC emails

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/07/2017 05:01

cozie the status of the trumpcare bill:

Ben Wikler
Ben Wikler @benwikler
If you're involved in the fight against Trumpcare (and if you're not, join now), this week is going to be insane. 1/
The first big tell is Tuesday morning, when Republicans need 50+1 votes to start final debate on... something bad, don't know what yet. 2/
Nobody knows how Tuesday's vote will go. I have a sinking feeling. As do others. Need constant, maximal pressure. Call: 202-224-3121 3/
Unlike earlier phases of this battle, the hard right is now fully engaged. Koch organizations, Trump admin, the works. We must be louder. 4
Monday, Trump appears with Capito at the 2017 Boy Scout Jamboree. She's likely to seem as pro-Trump as possible. 5/ t.co/gWGn7TKni3?amp=1
If Capito Heller OR Murkowski commit to voting against Motion to Proceed, it'll either fail—or McConnell will delay it again. ¿Unlikely? 6/
If McConnell votes FOR the motion to proceed but it FAILS, he can't bring it up again and you can exhale. 7/
That's very unlikely. Leaders nearly always switch their votes to "nay" so they're voting w majority and reserve right to bring back up. 8/
DC believes that if McConnell loses MTP vote on Tue, it's over. But DC has thought it was over repeatedly. Color me skeptical. 9/
McConnell is telling senators that voting AGAINST MTP is equiv of saying they support Obamacare. Plus pressure, buyoffs, etc. He may win 10/
If the Rs win the Motion to Proceed, we enter 20 hours of debate. Surreally, that's all the debate we'll get on Trumpcare. 11/
At that point we'll need a HUGE wave of pressure. Normally a Motion to Proceed vote is preview of final vote. We'll already have lost it 12/
In this case, though, the MTP isn't necessarily a preview of final vote because we won't know what the final bill will be. So TURN IT UP 13/
Tue-Wed, we'll have 10 hours of R speeches, 10 hours of D speeches, furious dealmaking, & (your job) mega public outrage 14/
Then vote-o-rama: the weird Senate thing on budget reconciliation bills where each side proposes unlimited amendments & ALL get voted on 15/
Normally vote-o-rama is for "messaging" amendments in which each side proposes things that the other side will look bad voting against 16/
This time, vote-o-rama will be used by Rs to propose radical restructurings of the health care system without time for debate or review 17/
Meanwhile, Dems will, I hope and expect, come ready with 100s or 1000s of amendments to extend vote-o-rama as long as possible 18/
Each amendment currently gets a 1 minute speech from each side and then a 10 minute vote. So voting on hundreds of amendments = grueling 19/
That's the only way Ds can delay the final vote. But the Parliamentarian could rule them dilatory. Or McConnell can change rules anytime 20/
So at some point, Parliamentarian or GOP will presumably shut down the process and move to final vote on... something. 21/
At the end, McConnell will intro an amendment that wipes away all previous amendments. That's the final bill. Possibly unseen till then 22/
And then the Senate will vote on Trumpcare, whatever Trumpcare is at that point. A mystery bill that could shape all of our futures. 23/
Everything we've all been doing—millions of us calling, marching, sitting in, fighting for months on end—comes down to what a few Rs do 24/
In a series of moments, each a second or two long, a handful of Republican senators will vote yay or nay—death or life for untold 1000s 25/
Everything will go from fast fwd to, in that moment, slow motion, as we watch the ground truth that we've been guessing, trying to shape 26/
And then the world will snap back into focus—the GOP will have failed, or succeeded. If it failed, we celebrate 27/ t.co/f4jFAgwLy7?amp=1
If the Senate vote succeeds, we are in an extremely dark place with very little time and very little hope. We fight on anyway. 28/
If the Senate votes yes on Trumpcare, it's very likely that the House votes the bill through intact & with mind-blowing speed. 29/
If we reach the point of a House vote, it's worth every possible Hail Mary to try to stop it. Go to your local R office immediately. 30/
If the House passes it, Trump will sign it. Things will start getting worse very quickly for a lot of people. Insurance market meltdown. 31/
That... could all happen this week. How do we prevent that?
The first thing to do, with everything we've got, is to fight to stop the GOP from passing the Motion to Proceed on Tue AM. 33/

[ and then a series of tweets detailing specific actions that members of particular states can take mobile.twitter.com/benwikler/status/889299847970476032 ]

If the GOP passes the Motion to Proceed on Tuesday, I'd suggest basically putting your life on hold until the Trumpcare final vote is over.
This is one of those extremely rare moments in politics when everything is on the line—AND nobody knows which way it'll go.

cozietoesie · 24/07/2017 07:26

Dear Goodness, Pain. I thank you for that but it's going to need - for me - more than one read.

Roussette · 24/07/2017 08:03

Pain that is scary.

This is interesting...talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-crisis-is-upon-us

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/07/2017 08:22

roussette relying on congress to act as a brake when trump pardons himself is too optimistic, I think. There'll probably be noises of concern and being troubled but then no action. Although having said that, I was surprised they appointed a special counsel at all so maybe they'll come through on this.

Not sure what happens if he does fire him and it's allowed to stand. There's talk on twitter of being organised so they can hit the streets in a sustained way but I'm not sure if that'll effect change.

And if his pardon is unchallenged and he gets away with getting away with it, then anything goes and I fear there won't be any tipping points after that.

Roussette · 24/07/2017 08:27

and here are the possible scenarios outlined in an easy-read piece!

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/07/21/this-presidency-cant-be-saved-its-all-downhill-from-here/

The last sentence says it all
In no scenario does Trump’s presidency recover

Roussette · 24/07/2017 08:29

Yes Pain it's all so worrying. I read about Marches within hours of him firing Mueller, I agree it doesn't effect change but by heck i shows strength of feeling.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 24/07/2017 08:29

Greg Sargent @ThePlumLineGS
Trump just took claim that the media = enemy of American people to new level.

Now says NYT actively trying to undermine nat'l security.

Caroline O.
Caroline O. @RVAwonk
Trump is stealing a page from Putin's playbook here. He's framing reporting on Russia as a nat sec threat to gain support for censorship.

I wrote abt this in Feb.
This is exactly how Putin gained popular support for censorship [worth a read mobile.twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/833313019694370816 ]

Caroline O. @RVAwonk
If Trump can convince ppl that media reports abt Russia probe are a nat sec threat, censorship seems more acceptable

t.co/TvHOXPmsGN?amp=1

Rest of thread here:

mobile.twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/889354901930876928

Roussette · 24/07/2017 08:34

This is depressing bang your head against a wall reading. All Trump's lies.

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html