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Sean's gone. It's sad. Great guy. Going to miss him.Trump continued

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orlantina · 22/07/2017 22:26

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 29/07/2017 09:04

If only he'd used a giant human-sized fly swatter!

🐝🐜🐝At one point, Trump tasked Priebus with killing a fly in the Oval Office. 🐜🐝🐜 washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/p…
Ashley Parker @AshleyRParker

But then Obama did that better too! Grin

Sean's gone. It's sad. Great guy. Going to miss him.Trump continued
Gumpendorf · 29/07/2017 09:04

Wow! That was great, pain. Don't cross Rep Waters. Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/07/2017 09:07

It's really reminded me of Brexit gump. We want to leave even though nobody knows what that will look like and what we do know makes it very clear we will all suffer. But sod it, let's just leave anyway. Not because it will bring tangible benefits but just because we've decided it represents all that's wrong with society, against any evidence based information.

Roussette · 29/07/2017 09:09

Conway Shock
I can't believe the bullshit she spouts.

So Trump has spoken at a Police Federation rally thing. Bearing in mind Police kill 1,000 every year, for the POTUS to explicitly encourage police violence is absolutely appalling. No wonder people in the US hate and mistrust the Police and that will get worse. The way the Police cheered what he said - very scary. Someone only needs to look like a gang member and the Police can go after them and use violence.

Seems to me, whenever Trump is failing he falls back on violent aliens.

Roussette · 29/07/2017 09:12

I love love love that clip Pain, I saw it yesterday and was Grin

Roussette · 29/07/2017 09:13

Oooops meant to add a link

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/28/16059486/trump-speech-police-hand

TheNorthWestPawsage · 29/07/2017 09:23

Senator Waters is fab (so wish there were more like her) but, but... did Mnuchin ever answer the question?!!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/07/2017 09:28

In a pretty weak way

www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/2EE72E4A-72E3-11E7-9E70-77DD8B13BB6F

Waters has testy exchange with Mnuchin over Trump financing

Gumpendorf · 29/07/2017 09:34

I agree about Brexit, Pain. I think the US and UK are in a race to decide who can have the most crappiest government. The US winning on OMG points. The UK seems pathetically incompetent. I think I prefer the latter but I worry the lack of OMG moments mean we are sleep walking into something nasty. 😏

TheNorthWestPawsage · 29/07/2017 09:35

Thanks Pain - weak indeed.

Gumpendorf · 29/07/2017 09:37

Hirono has stage 4 cancer, and did address the issue.

Senator Hirono's emotional final plea against WealthCare didnt get much recognition. Sharing it with you. ❤️
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/890958530500476928/video/1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/07/2017 09:51

It was a really moving speech and she was incredible.

Charlotte Alter @CharlotteAlter
Murkowski and Collins did the same job as McCain, facing twice the hostility for half the credit

Abhishek Pratap @Abhi5hekk
Hillary was right when she said women will stop Trump. She didn't mean by herself, but women in general. Collins and Murkowski
#SkinnyRepeal

Lweji · 29/07/2017 10:17

About the real heroes. The resistance, such as the people in wheelchairs who got arrested while protesting.

All those people who disapprove of Trump and who oppose the nasty bits of the Don'tCare Bill, must get out and make their voices heard. Or they will eventually get a nasty surprise.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/07/2017 10:17

This is from December but is interesting. I think we've discussed
Similar things on these threads before:

Sharon Furiosa
Sharon Furiosa @sfhater
I think a lot of people who wonder why more Republicans aren't standing up to tRump and Putin are missing the bigger picture.
Putin didn't create the move toward authoritarianism in the US. He took advantage of divisions and right-wing movements active for decades.
Populist and authoritarian movements have existed in the US throughout its history, most notably during and after Reconstruction.
The most current incarnation is an unholy trinity consisting of ultra-wealthy oligarchs, religious right, and white nationalists/populists.
Each of these groups has its own set of goals, and each has been working toward controlling US govt. since at least the 1970s.
What drove them to overlook differences and work together was election of a black president who attempted to pass health reform.
This is how it worked. In late 60s Republicans undertook Southern Strategy to co-opt bigoted white Democrats to Republican party.
They realized that even so they were losing information war and needed to put in place institutions/propaganda to legitimize their policies.
These goals were crystallized in the Powell Memo, which called for business to take America back and laid out the framework for doing so.
This memo resulted in a series of actions by business & the right: set up think tanks to legitimize views; undermine media fairness rules,
and form media companies to serve as propaganda arms, culminating with formation of Fox News and more recently, Breitbart.
At the same time, Evangelicals felt under siege due to the enormous social changes of 60s and 70s - civil rights, women's rights, etc.
Many of these organizations hopped on the corporate/Republican bandwagon and spread propaganda through religious media networks
So you had Pat Robertson's 700 Club, Christian radio networks, and a proliferation of televangelists spreading propaganda for Republicans.
As these religious groups gained more influence with Republicans, they influenced party policies and platforms.
Interestingly, the religious influence meshed with the corporate influence due to its embrace of "Prosperity Theology".
This is a sort of neo-Calvinist view that teaches wealth/success is a sign of god's blessing, and that poverty is the fault of the poor.
This belief has several negative outcomes. First, it makes poverty a personal problem rather than a systemic problem that govt. can solve.
Second, it prevents examination of the negative effects of income/wealth inequality and the systems that promote it.
It also leads poor to hold out hope that they're just "not rich yet" and to identify with the rich who rig the system for themselves.
The final leg in the unholy trinity is the white nationalists, who have also been known as populists, militia, Neo-Nazis, KKK, etc.
These groups have waxed and waned, but tend to revive whenever white men feel a particular threat to their entitlement (Obama/ Hillary).
Their interests overlap with religious right, which seeks a biblical rule (Christian Sharia Law if you will) that subordinates women to men.
Since Obama took office in 2008, this Unholy Trinity has worked full time to undermine Liberal Democracy and shift the Rep Party rightward.
Wealthy Oligarchs such as Kochs and Mercers funded training and campaigns for far-right candidates.
They also worked to undermine restrictions on soft money and influence of wealth on elections through such cases as Citizens United.
Corporate and religious right-wing media stoked a non-stop propaganda machine to gain support of white working class via racism/fear.
Putin's interests overlap with the Unholy Trinity (Christianity/Oligarchy/White Nationalism), and situation provided perfect opportunity.
'm done for now - but keep these things in mind when you wonder why Republicans don't stand up to Putin. They mostly agree with him.
END

FOR FURTHER READING:

See the the text of the Powell Memo, along with analysis of its content, here: t.co/5paXFGizxM?amp=1

For a good summary of Prosperity Theology, see this Wikipedia entry:
t.co/MptTMZkFfN?amp=1

This article explains Nixon's Southern Strategy and how it made Trump possible: t.co/D4hmZcw5yZ?amp=1

This post discusses many US Oligarchs and how they funded the nation's shift rightward: t.co/UbhfWIEm1X?amp=1

Gumpendorf · 29/07/2017 10:24

Hillary was right when she said women will stop Trump. She didn't mean by herself, but women in general. Collins and Murkowski

Absolutely. And I've seen Sally Yates quoted too and Kamala Harris. Not forgetting Maxine Waters.

Incidentally, I watched Confirmation I think that's what it was called and the point was made that the treatment of Anita Hill in Thomas's confirmation hearings caused a big influx of women standing for the Senate. Dianne Feinstein was mentioned. I wonder if Trump might have the same impact. Smile

Gumpendorf · 29/07/2017 10:29

That's interesting Pain. I have bookmarked to come back and read it more thoroughly. Smile

Roussette · 29/07/2017 10:40

That is very interesting Pain

lionheart · 29/07/2017 10:42

Thanks for that Pain.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/07/2017 11:51

Wtf

Judd Legum
Judd Legum @JuddLegum
Fox's Jesse Watters: "A lot of people wish President Trump was a dictator"

www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/07/27/foxs-jesse-watters-lot-people-wish-president-trump-was-dictator/217420

JESSE WATTERS (CO-HOST): A lot of people wish President Trump was a dictator, maybe we could repeal Obamacare. It would be a lot easier that way.

lionheart · 29/07/2017 11:55

He can't even swat a fly on his own.

thehill.com/homenews/administration/344431-trump-once-summoned-priebus-to-kill-a-fly-in-oval-office-report

I'm surprised Priebus lasted so long.

PerkingFaintly · 29/07/2017 12:00

A very interesting synthesis, Pain. Thanks for that.

Roussette · 29/07/2017 12:02

All about the Mooch. Scary stuff. The worst is yet to come apparently.

He has read this article, and went ballistic. I just don't understand how someone can read this sort of thing about themselves and not take a minute to think... 'whoa... hang on a minute... where am I going...'

Already the job has cost him his marriage. His wife has walked because of his naked political ambition and love for Trump.

Roussette · 29/07/2017 12:06

Gosh.. forgot the link, here it is

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 29/07/2017 12:21

Very, very worrying. Every time you think it can't get worse or Trump can't go lower, it does get worse and Trump reaches new lows.

Thanks for all the links.