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Sean's gone. It's sad. Great guy. Going to miss him.Trump continued

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orlantina · 22/07/2017 22:26

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2977693-The-thread-where-we-meet-to-discuss-the-unfolding-Trump-administration-catastrophe-but-end-up-discussing-adoptions-from-Russia?msgid=70627530

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Roussette · 25/07/2017 19:43

Murkowski has voted NO. I don't understand it all, but that looks important on Twitter

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 25/07/2017 20:02

It is, but it's very unlikely that anything will be amended after this so it's essentially greenlighting the bill.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 25/07/2017 20:03

McCain's a yes Sad

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 25/07/2017 20:07

Actually, I'm not sure about the greenlighting. That's my understanding but I could have that wrong

Roussette · 25/07/2017 20:12

Pence is the decider. Bill passed. What the hell is going on with the US. I didn't think it would happen

cozietoesie · 25/07/2017 20:18

The 'motion to proceed' passed.

GingerPCatt · 25/07/2017 20:18

It's not over yet. That was just the motion to proceed. There still a major battle before it is actually passsed. More info
edition.cnn.com/2017/07/25/politics/senate-poised-to-vote-today-on-health-care/index.html

Gumpendorf · 25/07/2017 20:18

Pain posted this thread a couple of days ago and it explains the MTP etc

I'm disappointed by John McCain. Sad

Ben Wikler
Ben Wikler @benwikler
If you're involved in the fight against Trumpcare (and if you're not, join now), this week is going to be insane. 1/
The first big tell is Tuesday morning, when Republicans need 50+1 votes to start final debate on... something bad, don't know what yet. 2/
Nobody knows how Tuesday's vote will go. I have a sinking feeling. As do others. Need constant, maximal pressure. Call: 202-224-3121 3/
Unlike earlier phases of this battle, the hard right is now fully engaged. Koch organizations, Trump admin, the works. We must be louder. 4
Monday, Trump appears with Capito at the 2017 Boy Scout Jamboree. She's likely to seem as pro-Trump as possible. 5/ https://t.co/gWGn7TKni3?amp=1
If Capito Heller OR Murkowski commit to voting against Motion to Proceed, it'll either fail—or McConnell will delay it again. ¿Unlikely? 6/
If McConnell votes FOR the motion to proceed but it FAILS, he can't bring it up again and you can exhale. 7/
That's very unlikely. Leaders nearly always switch their votes to "nay" so they're voting w majority and reserve right to bring back up. 8/
DC believes that if McConnell loses MTP vote on Tue, it's over. But DC has thought it was over repeatedly. Color me skeptical. 9/
McConnell is telling senators that voting AGAINST MTP is equiv of saying they support Obamacare. Plus pressure, buyoffs, etc. He may win 10/
If the Rs win the Motion to Proceed, we enter 20 hours of debate. Surreally, that's all the debate we'll get on Trumpcare. 11/
At that point we'll need a HUGE wave of pressure. Normally a Motion to Proceed vote is preview of final vote. We'll already have lost it 12/
In this case, though, the MTP isn't necessarily a preview of final vote because we won't know what the final bill will be. So TURN IT UP 13/
Tue-Wed, we'll have 10 hours of R speeches, 10 hours of D speeches, furious dealmaking, & (your job) mega public outrage 14/
Then vote-o-rama: the weird Senate thing on budget reconciliation bills where each side proposes unlimited amendments & ALL get voted on 15/
Normally vote-o-rama is for "messaging" amendments in which each side proposes things that the other side will look bad voting against 16/
This time, vote-o-rama will be used by Rs to propose radical restructurings of the health care system without time for debate or review 17/
Meanwhile, Dems will, I hope and expect, come ready with 100s or 1000s of amendments to extend vote-o-rama as long as possible 18/
Each amendment currently gets a 1 minute speech from each side and then a 10 minute vote. So voting on hundreds of amendments = grueling 19/
That's the only way Ds can delay the final vote. But the Parliamentarian could rule them dilatory. Or McConnell can change rules anytime 20/
So at some point, Parliamentarian or GOP will presumably shut down the process and move to final vote on... something. 21/
At the end, McConnell will intro an amendment that wipes away all previous amendments. That's the final bill. Possibly unseen till then 22/
And then the Senate will vote on Trumpcare, whatever Trumpcare is at that point. A mystery bill that could shape all of our futures. 23/
Everything we've all been doing—millions of us calling, marching, sitting in, fighting for months on end—comes down to what a few Rs do 24/
In a series of moments, each a second or two long, a handful of Republican senators will vote yay or nay—death or life for untold 1000s 25/
Everything will go from fast fwd to, in that moment, slow motion, as we watch the ground truth that we've been guessing, trying to shape 26/
And then the world will snap back into focus—the GOP will have failed, or succeeded. If it failed, we celebrate 27/ https://t.co/f4jFAgwLy7?amp=1
If the Senate vote succeeds, we are in an extremely dark place with very little time and very little hope. We fight on anyway. 28/
If the Senate votes yes on Trumpcare, it's very likely that the House votes the bill through intact & with mind-blowing speed. 29/
If we reach the point of a House vote, it's worth every possible Hail Mary to try to stop it. Go to your local R office immediately. 30/
If the House passes it, Trump will sign it. Things will start getting worse very quickly for a lot of people. Insurance market meltdown. 31/
That... could all happen this week. How do we prevent that?
The first thing to do, with everything we've got, is to fight to stop the GOP from passing the Motion to Proceed on Tue AM. 33/

[ and then a series of tweets detailing specific actions that members of particular states can take https://mobile.twitter.com/benwikler/status/889299847970476032 ]

Roussette · 25/07/2017 20:22

The fat orange one is due to give a Press Conf with PM of Libya any minute. Let's see if he crows about it

squoosh · 25/07/2017 20:22

I'm disgusted with John McCain. He definitely does not deserve this kindly GOP statesman tag. The way he talks V the way he acts when it comes down to voting are massively at odds. Fuck that shit quite frankly.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 25/07/2017 20:24

From the the cnn article:

If the procedural vote passes, does that mean the bill eventually will?

No.
Short of an agreement on some final substitute amendment that locks in 50 votes something they've repeatedly come up short on accomplishing the process going forward is far from a sure thing. But momentum and hour after hour of amendment votes can be a unifying process. That's what leadership is counting on right now.

Based on this, I'd say it's going to happen.

cozietoesie · 25/07/2017 20:25

Sorry, Gump. I'll have to come back to all that. My poor brain is frazzled.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 25/07/2017 20:26

Yes squoosh his voting record is very much at odds with what he says, which is not taken as seriously as it should.

Roussette · 25/07/2017 20:28

He's speaking live now, and yes crowing, and banging on about Obamacare being a disaster.

Roussette · 25/07/2017 20:29

Talking about Libya. Doing one of his Wikipedia speeches. He obviously hasn't a clue and just reading bullet points

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 25/07/2017 20:33

Celeste P.
Celeste P. @Celeste_pewter
Look, guys. I'm going to say this early. If/when this MTP passes, you cannot take this as a sign to give up. We have to ramp it up.
There are is a certain code that political offices should adhere to/follow with their constituents. The GOP senate is wildly violating that.
I'm not going to go into great detail, but as a staffer, I feel I have a moral obligation to serve the public and adhere to transparency.
Those are understood rules of politics in the US, and our democratic process. The GOP leadership is violating that wildly right now.
The only way this gets better is if we ramp it up, not down. The only way we make sure we don't backslide even further, is to protest.
There are a couple of different paths this bill can take. There are ways to continue to protest and stop this. Once I get a better sense -

  • We'll proceed. But in the interim, you have to protest about this, and just the overall perversion of our democracy, every. single. day.
Remember how everyone votes today. Make note of it. And then make a vow to yourself that you will join the fight. We want your voices.
Gumpendorf · 25/07/2017 20:33

The next steps in detail but edited and formatted to make it easier to read Wink

If the Rs win the Motion to Proceed, we enter 20 hours of debate. Surreally, that's all the debate we'll get on Trumpcare.

In this case, though, the MTP isn't necessarily a preview of final vote because we won't know what the final bill will be.

Tue-Wed, we'll have 10 hours of R speeches, 10 hours of D speeches, furious dealmaking, & mega public outrage

Then vote-o-rama: the weird Senate thing on budget reconciliation bills where each side proposes unlimited amendments & ALL get voted on

Normally vote-o-rama is for "messaging" amendments in which each side proposes things that the other side will look bad voting against

This time, vote-o-rama will be used by Rs to propose radical restructurings of the health care system without time for debate or review

Meanwhile, Dems will, I hope and expect, come ready with 100s or 1000s of amendments to extend vote-o-rama as long as possible

Each amendment currently gets a 1 minute speech from each side and then a 10 minute vote. So voting on hundreds of amendments = grueling

That's the only way Ds can delay the final vote. But the Parliamentarian could rule them dilatory. Or McConnell can change rules anytime

So at some point, Parliamentarian or GOP will presumably shut down the process and move to final vote on... something.

At the end, McConnell will intro an amendment that wipes away all previous amendments. That's the final bill. Possibly unseen till then

And then the Senate will vote on Trumpcare, whatever Trumpcare is at that point. A mystery bill that could shape all of our futures.

Everything we've all been doing—millions of us calling, marching, sitting in, fighting for months on end—comes down to what a few Rs do

In a series of moments, each a second or two long, a handful of Republican senators will vote yay or nay—death or life for untold 1000s

If the Senate votes yes on Trumpcare, it's very likely that the House votes the bill through intact & with mind-blowing speed.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 25/07/2017 20:35

For fucks sake

JM Rieger
JM Rieger @RiegerReport
STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESPERSON: Rex Tillerson “taking a little time off”

mobile.twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/889925468585160704/video/1

Roussette · 25/07/2017 20:36

Trump being asked about Sessions. Yet again he's having a go at him.

squoosh · 25/07/2017 20:37

At the end, McConnell will intro an amendment that wipes away all previous amendments. That's the final bill. Possibly unseen till then

And this is called democracy.

Roussette · 25/07/2017 20:41

Gump Thanks, that's interesting reading.

cozietoesie · 25/07/2017 20:41

Pain

Anyone is surely entitled to some vacation?

Roussette · 25/07/2017 20:42

Trump says "The people are sick of it" (talking about Obamacare)

No, they're sick of YOU

Gumpendorf · 25/07/2017 20:42

Meanwhile, elsewhere in the forest

https://twitter.com/yottapoint/status/889904905246212096

Oh my god. Trump nominated lawyer for Alfa Bank (Russian bank that communicated w Trump servers) to head DOJ Criminal Justice Division.

And Dianne Feinstein statement on that nomination

Sean's gone. It's sad. Great guy. Going to miss him.Trump continued
Sean's gone. It's sad. Great guy. Going to miss him.Trump continued
Roussette · 25/07/2017 20:44

Bloody hell. He's says he's made more progress in getting rid of ISIS in 4 months than Obama did in 8 years.

Really???