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To wonder why people tolerate adultery

83 replies

emilybrontescorset · 16/07/2017 09:19

I'm just wondering why people make excuses for their oh cheating.
Why would you accept this level of betrayal,
Are people really happy once their partner had been caught cheating on them and if not why not leave?
I'm just curious really.
Im friends on fb with a woman whose dh cheated at least twice with a work colleague. She was heartbroken and her family do not speak to her dh after all the Iain he caused her. They advised her to throw him out and offered help and support to her.
She forgave him after she insisted he move jobs. Does that really solve the issue?
I see her regularly posting about how great he is blah blah and must of her posts involve pictures of the two of them, usually with her throwing her arms around him.
Great if she is truely happy but I can't help but think bats not the case.
My ex dh cheated on me and finally I am in a much happier place several years down the line being away from him.
I have a new dp whom I love very much and who is more like me than any other partner I have had.
I don't have any issues with what my ex did . I've moved on and feel much more like the real me than when I was in the awful situation of discovering his affair.
Just wondering why anyone would stay when in my opinion happiness is available around the corner without the burden clinging onto a cheater brings.

OP posts:
FinallyHere · 16/07/2017 14:39

now it's normal to be unfaithful

This is not my experience. My first serious relationship was not good, in retrospect we should have just called it a day and found different partners. I honestly have no idea why we didn't. In that relationship, I often considered cheating and can really only 'blame' lack of opportunity for not having strayed.

Nowadays, I am much happier in my relationship and wouldn't consider cheating. It's been a good few decades, too. While you can never say never, I now think that I don"t ever find anyone who 'fits' me so well. it would now be a deal breaker for me, if he were even tempted, while previously I even wished he would find some ne else and leave me alone. I am pretty sure that the problem for me now would be all that emotional energy and attention being spent on someone else: I would resent that.

My current reading is that people who cheat do it to make their lives more interesting. A good way forward would be, if you feel tempted, to dissolve your existing relationship and only then consider whether you want a new relationship with the person who caught your eye.

Clearly, everyone is different, I wish that everyone would run their relationships to suit themselves, and, of course, their children.

FinallyHere · 16/07/2017 14:43

or voting tory Grin

We used to just ignore politics, as we voted for very different parties and just couldn't find any common ground. I started to feel a bit differently, in the face of more and more evidence. I have gradually moved my position to much closer to where his used to be.

Of course, he has done the same and now we are on opposite sides again. Sigh.

WinnieTheMe · 16/07/2017 14:53

Eh, my DH cheated on me, many years ago. It was during a very difficult time in both our lives, for various reasons. I left him over it - walked out of the house at 4 am with nowhere to go.

Over the next nine months I did rebuild a life without him, but decided I liked my old life better. I missed him, missed our relationship, missed what we'd built together.

Turned out he missed me. So we decided to get back together and address the root problems which were behind the affair to begin with. Now, a decade later, it's not on my radar. I have a fabulous family, lovely life, and he's my best friend. We're genuinely really happy, whether you believe it or not. I don't think I have low self esteem. And if other people think I'm insecure/secretly miserable/sad and pathetic then that is their call. They can think whatever they like. I'd still make the same choices again.

SheSaidHeSaid · 16/07/2017 15:01

I cant find it in myself to judge people who forgive infidelity

This.

And as someone who has seen what infidelity does to people, I can also say knowing people are judging you for decisions you make when you're the innocent person in what's happened is one of the worst parts of it. I've even seen a friend lose another friend over it as she didn't agree with my friend taking her husband, the father of her kids, back.

TheNaze73 · 16/07/2017 15:06

Everyone is different.

Though I subscribe to it, the whole monogamy thing is pretty ridiculous when you stand back & look at it.

deadringer · 16/07/2017 15:24

I would find it hard to understand why someone would forgive an unfaithful partner, but I don't think I would judge them for it. For me personally infidelity is an absolute deal breaker.

GinaFordCortina · 16/07/2017 15:32

All the people judging the OP for judging Grin

Dunno op. I think if a partner realised they are asexual (for example) sex outside of the marriage would make sense. Like you I'm more concerned about the lying aspect of an affair.

If I had found out my husband was out shaggin someone while I was home with the kids (again) I'd probably rip his balls off.

midnightmisssuki · 16/07/2017 15:40

What's it to you OP? Live and let live maybe - there are a ton of factors of why people take partners who have cheated - my bf cheated on my with my cousin, and it was a whole host of factors that we stayed together for a while after that - we eventually broke up but not because of the infidelity. Don't be so quick to judge - not such a nice trait....

BertieBotts · 16/07/2017 15:45

It might be related to how much you value monogamy as well? Like a few in this thread have said they see it as no big deal, annoying but surmountable, whereas others find it a huge betrayal.

There would be a big problem if the two people in a marriage had widely differing views on this.

WhooooAmI24601 · 16/07/2017 15:47

I can think of lots of reasons why people might forgive a husband or wife for cheating. And lots of reasons where you might be able to work through it and reach a 'better' place in the relationship.

DS1's Dad cheated while I was pregnant. I took him back, he cheated again (and again) and I broke my heart over it. That pain was indescribable, knocked my self esteem hugely and did more damage than I realised at the time. But I took him back because I loved him, I believed he'd change and I wanted our child to grow up in a happy, loving home. So, naivety, love and hopefulness were the reasons I forgave him. I would hope that my friends didn't judge me for trying to work it out.

youhavetobekidding · 16/07/2017 15:47

I think part of the problem is that it used to be normal for couples to be faithful to each other and now it's normal to be unfaithful

Speak for yourself!

WhooooAmI24601 · 16/07/2017 15:57

I think part of the problem is that it used to be normal for couples to be faithful to each other and now it's normal to be unfaithful

I disagree with this. It's easier, not normal. It's easier to go online and find someone for a quick flirt. It's easier to use social media and technology to have affairs. It's easier to hide the evidence. It hasn't normalised it; it's still not something 'most' people do. It's just something 'some' people have always done because they're desperate for an ego boost.

I genuinely believe cheating is closely linked to self esteem. The higher your self-esteem, the less likely you are to go searching for an ego boost elsewhere. It could be entirely wrong but having watched friends and family go through affairs, for me it plays a huge part.

RortyCrankle · 16/07/2017 16:12

I agree with you OP. I would find it intolerable and could not forgive. I know someone who had a constantly cheating husband and after having a third child made the decision to stay until they left home. Twenty years later she divorced him when they were both sixty. It seems a tragic waste of life to me.

Groupie123 · 16/07/2017 17:21

@buggerthebotox - You deserve better than to stay with a man just to make your dd's life easier in the short term. Kids are incredibly intelligent - she will be able to pick up that mummy and daddy don't love each other, and will also be able to pick up that daddy doesn't respect mummy. What happens then is that your dd then develops issues regarding men and the cycle repeats. The best thing you can do for your dd is to leave your shitty dh. I speak from experience here because the last thing you want to do is show your dd how you should live with an abusive partner, trust me.

PaintingByNumbers · 16/07/2017 17:48

I really disagree about the low self esteem thing. Chumplady says it better than me
www.chumplady.com/2013/01/the-canard-that-cheaters-have-low-self-esteem/

BertieBotts · 16/07/2017 20:00

I don't think it's "more normal" today than it was in the past. If anything it's the other way around perhaps? Divorce used to be more frowned upon in the past so perhaps people had affairs in secret instead.

HazelBite · 16/07/2017 20:47

When I was in my late teens/early twenties I worked in an office (government dept) I was shocked at how many people there were openly having affairs and carrying on with other work colleagues. it was completely normalised. This was the early 1980's. so before the advent of social media.
Years later working in a similar office if there was any "carrying on" it was not so evident or perhaps people are more discreet, no I think that with modern technology people just have the ability to cast their nets wider and not shit on their own doorsteps.
I don't think there is any more or less infidelity today than in the past.

WinnieTheMe · 16/07/2017 21:03

The one thing I find bizarre is how many people on this thread seem weirdly invested in taking this hardline on other people's relationship choices. You couldn't have respect for how someone else chooses to live? When that choice harms no one? Really?

It genuinely feels a bit bizarre and I kind of wonder why it matters so much.

Lanaorana2 · 16/07/2017 21:10

Some people - including women - are fine about adultery. If you've gone off your DH but he's a good earner and you don't want to support yourself, it's a win-win.

Let some other poor sap do the work of marriage - the emotional labour, the support, the sex - while you collect the cheque and settle down to daytime TV.

GutInstinct · 16/07/2017 21:22

The problem with this kind of black and white thinking is that it only takes account of one opinion, which is that people cheat purely because they want a quick shag and there is no consideration for the partner or children in this thinking. When actually very few relationships are that black and white, and while there are rarely reasons to cheat there are almost always factors which lead to someone ending up having an affair.

The other problem is that on MN especially people unanimously accept that the cheated on person is a victim, doesn't matter if there were issues in the relationship which may have led to a partner meeting someone else, the instant that partner cheats anything which happened beforehand is forgotten and the cheat might as well have murdered a newborn baby given the reactions on here.

My ex husband used to have me followed, put bugs in the house to record my every movement, took pictures of me naked when I was asleep which I never knew about until we split, told me in the early stages that as I liked vigorous sex I would probably like to be raped one day. He prevented me from making friends, put obstacles in the way of me going back to work after having children, made sure I was isolated as far as possible. If I'd posted about my marriage on here at the time I would have been told to ltb and been encouraged to call Women's aid.

But because I ended up meeting someone and cheating once everything that my ex did has become irrelevant. Even though meeting someone else gave me the strength to leave my abusive marriage I am still the one who was in the wrong. I have been called a cunt, a slag, been told that all the talk of an abusive marriage was just excuses to go out and find a quick shag.

There is no justification for having had an affair. It is without doubt the most regrettable thing I have ever done in my life and I can absolutely say that I would never do it again. But I refuse to be branded a slag and a cunt because my marriage had become unbearable to the point that I had a sudden realisation that life isn't supposed to be like this at a point where someone gave me positive attention.

Many women come on here after discovering that their partners and husbands have cheated. And for many this will have been a shock discovery and they will quite rightly kick their partners to the curb. But for many who come on here for support after the discovery there will have been issues in the marriage which they will have contributed to which, while not a justification for an affair will have been symptomatic of the reasons why an affair has happened.

In some cases it will be possible to look at those issues and to rebuild the relationship off the back of those. Inevitably though for some there will be no way back, and in some cases such as my own, the realisation will be that the marriage is over and that there is better out there.

Ironically my H would have taken me back. He even listened to the issues which were prevalent before I had the affair, and he went to counselling in order to become a better person. However for me the marriage was over. The affair certainly didn't yield a new relationship as I didn't leave for the OM and have in fact not spoken to him since. But it did make me realise that I would be better off on my own than with a man who had so little respect for me that he would violate me even in my sleep.

And when I decided I wasn't going back he ceased his counselling because in his words "well any new relationship would be with someone else."

eeniemeenieminiemoe2014 · 16/07/2017 21:24

My ex had someone else in our bed whilst our three week old son was in hospital foghting sepsis. How could any woman with any ounce of self respect and also a mother themselves do that :|

2rebecca · 16/07/2017 21:30

Agree that there are worse things a man can do than have sex with someone else. The context is important to me and I doubt I'd stay with someone who slept with someone else but people on mumsnet seem more ready to excuse women who stay with men who regularly hit them in an "oh the poor dear she has no self esteem and can't help it" sort of way where as being nice to your wife and a good father but having a casual shag is "get rid of him at once" stuff. Financial abuse and gambling the money away are worse to me as well. Trust isn't just about sex.

WinnieTheMe · 16/07/2017 21:51

GutInstinct - you don't have to justify yourself. Your ex sounds like a total spooge-canon and you are well shot of him.

I also agree with everything you've said. People have affairs for a lot of reasons, and the MN line of 'cheater evil, cheated on victim' is bollocks.

Hunted68 · 16/07/2017 22:08

Not everyone values monogamy as
Much as you perhaps?

It might not be the new normal but online sites have made it easier. Do you know that over 800,000 men registered for illicit encounters! This was more than 20 x the number of women. I am sure most haven't cheated but they were interested enough to look!

Hunted68 · 16/07/2017 22:09

That is UK men too!

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