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Charlie Gard 7

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CaveMum · 13/07/2017 15:58

Continuation of the discussion.

It looks highly unlikely that there will be a verdict today as GOSH have not yet been able to put their case across. The Gard family had their position heard this morning and currently an expert witness from the US is being questioned via video link.

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HouseOfMouse · 13/07/2017 19:50

Batting resumes tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. Maybe we will get a bit more information then.
My take is that the lawyers will be meeting tomorrow morning to see whether they can establish more common ground (the parents' lawyers must be aware that they have not met the evidential test) before court resumes - and then I guess we will hear about this multidisciplinary meeting (when, whether etc.).

GabsAlot · 13/07/2017 19:51

thanks hercule

what i dont gt is this has already been to the supreme court but it feels like theyre back at the start again

is that likly to be overuled?

HouseOfMouse · 13/07/2017 19:53

The previous ruling (affirmed by the supreme court) can't be overturned in the absence of compelling new evidence. I don't think that's happened today.

GabsAlot · 13/07/2017 19:55

hmm so what dos the judge really expect to happen

if they were going to agree on somthing thy woulnt be back in court again surely

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 13/07/2017 19:59

I'd agree about not reading the hearing being odd.

But if he has the notes has read them and can't see any indication in them that Charlie's brain damage is structural that may be significant. Although perhaps not significant enough to make a difference to the judgement.

If they can get together and agree on the cause it's going to be a hell of a lot easier than attempting to pick through two sets of world leading experts disagreeing on what might be the key issue in this case.

GabsAlot · 13/07/2017 20:01

no he said he wasnt an expert an somone else should decide on his brain function

Theresnonamesleft · 13/07/2017 20:02

Could it also be that this way gives C&C time to process what they heard today from their own witness? They've held onto what he's offered them for so long, only to have it bluntly pointed out today there is nothing. The meeting surely will be behind closed doors and this will give the a break from the media focus iyswim. Time to reflect on what they said months ago.

Incitatis · 13/07/2017 20:03

I have a feeling that all this procrastination is so that a final decision can be avoided and Charlie dies of an irreversible deterioration in his condition.

This could go on indefinitely. The judge needs to act. It's patently obvious that there is no credible treatment and that no improvement in his quality of life is possible.

ememem84 · 13/07/2017 20:04

Cannot believe its thread 7 already.

Have just about caught up. It's so so sad

thatdearoctopus · 13/07/2017 20:04

I'm wondering if this "expert" idly voiced an opinion on something he's researching, with no idea his musings would be pounced upon and he'd find himself called upon to give evidence in the British High Court.

MissTify · 13/07/2017 20:05

I cannot believe that at after all this time, it is only now that the US Doctor who has agreed to treat Charlie, has been asked to come to the UK to examine him. It has been months that this has been going on and all the time, that poor little boy has, according to GOSH, been suffering. I think the US doctor should have been asked to examine him after the very first court hearing, I really do. The whole situation seems to be such a mess and it is that poor little boy who is the one suffering.

redshoeblueshoe · 13/07/2017 20:05

Theresnonamesleft - that is exactly what I thought.

LapinR0se · 13/07/2017 20:06

Finally coming back to all of this after a busy evening.
The tweeters all went very quiet it seems (Sky correspondent, Joshua R, even Catherine Glenn Foster) and there was quite a bit of confusion at one stage.
Now it seems the Judge has ordered a multi-disciplinary meeting in the morning to try and get alignment between parties, and the court proceedings will kick off again at 2pm tomorrow. Is that correct?

I have only one positive take out from today's events which was Justice Francis saying that threats against GOSH, its staff, and the legal team would be taken to the highest level. A shock indeed to CA who thought they were getting away with their vile campaign of abuse. Not any more.

Otherwise a disappointing day...it seems, more than ever, to be an utterly hopeless and murky situation with a sick little boy and his devastated parents at the centre.

callmeadoctor · 13/07/2017 20:07

Can I just add (in defence of parents a little), we would have turned down the offer of counselling. It would have seemed like a stranger being involved with something that was far too personal and heartbreaking for us. However, in reality the people who did counsel us (without us really being aware) were the highly trained, specialist nurses who were with us and looked after our baby 24/7.

What the staff are going through as well, must be awful. I wish that I could speak to the parents. What I must not do is ever regret my decision, the longer this goes on I realise that my (our) decision to let her go was the right one.

Lemonading · 13/07/2017 20:08

It must have been very difficult to hear that rather than the full recovery some were talking about, that at best Charlie might be able to have a minor improvement in the short term. I do hope that the parents have people looking out for them properly.

GabsAlot · 13/07/2017 20:09

according to th journalists c and c were sitting there nodding whn the witness said he would risk it and experiment on charlie

i still think theyre in complete denial

MrGrumpy01 · 13/07/2017 20:11

I think it is right that some deliberations will be behind closed doors. This needs to be discussed away from cross examining and in an environment where things can be thrashed out. (So to speak)

GabsAlot · 13/07/2017 20:11

hi lap

no i think they might just be deciding at 2pm although its very confusing as to what this meeting is about

Alfiemoon1 · 13/07/2017 20:11

I wondered that as dearoctopus. Did the expert just mention research he's doing and in desperation c and c have clung on to that hope. As the expert hasn't examined Charlie didn't seem clear on the extent of his brain damage etc

LovelyBath77 · 13/07/2017 20:11

Thought it was a bit worrying the new doc seemed to think Charlie was not in pain and being on the breathing tube for months wasn't a problem. I felt he was focused on his research more than the wellbeing of the child.

Lightlovelife · 13/07/2017 20:14

I assume the judge is trying to cover all bases.

GabsAlot · 13/07/2017 20:16

i agree lovly started backtracking alot whn asked about brain function said he want a specialist etc

GabsAlot · 13/07/2017 20:18

*wasnt

Alfiemoon1 · 13/07/2017 20:18

Yes I thought that lovelybath

iloveeverykindofcat · 13/07/2017 20:19

dearoctopus I wondered about that. Certainly he seems unprepared and somewhat surprised to find himself in this position. I felt a bit sorry for him when he was under examination.

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