Charlie Gard Case 4

[LovelyBath77]

A new thread to follow on from the others about this case

If they are on benefits they should declare any extra money they are getting.

I would please ask people to refrain from posting anything about the funds that have been raised and continue to be raised

You can ask but equally we can still discuss the money that's being donated. It's all part of the situation

I'm sorry but there's something off about money going straight to the parents bank accounts his mother even has her PayPal account details on her instagram.

It's not unreasonable that this is going to be discussed. It's up to MNHQ to step in if they feel it shouldn't be talked about

Rabbit,

It is very expensive for any parents to be in a hospital for days on end looking after a very sick possibly terminally ill child.

I don't see any of them looking for donations to their personal bank account.

That's the reality for most parents with very sick children.

They must be livid. But no.... I expect they are concentrating on their very ill child and don't think about anything else. That is reality isn't it.

The CA FB site is like crack and I'm an addict.

I can't seem to stay away from it

There definitely seems to be more people challenging what's being said.

I think slowly opinion, even within that group is changing- even though there are definitely a core group having no time for any hint of dissent

Noef
They are running a business through the account - selling all the stuf
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and yes, normal gifts are exempt
but some of the "donations" are clearly not "gifts" as the family will not be able to name the donors

but as I say, HMRC will do nothing for quite a while and then will see whether donations to charity have been made
its up to HMRC, not any of us.

And although I find the merchandise thing odd, I think that for the people buying the items it helps to make them feel closer and "more of a family" or something like that. It does make me feel concerned what will happen when it is over, but I think it probably does bring some sort of happiness/contentment to the people buying them.

Do you know what it says on the webpage? It's says 'Donate and help save Charlie's life'

The people giving money that way have no idea what it will be used for.

I just hope a sensible person has access to the just giving. Afaik they send you money weekly/monthly that has been donated. So it's not just all sitting there waiting. It might already being used for stuff.

And to clarify. That is not an accusation, by stuff I mean supporting the parents and Charlie.

Thanks Talkin forgot there was the merchandising. I was thinking of the bank account payments.

Following the money will hit them hard someday. Well I feel like questioning it.

Personal bank account WTF?

Have they more expenses at the moment than any other parent in similar life supporting situations?

Answer honestly please. This is a fkn circus. And will not end well. Whatever the decision is.

But then again if CG is taken off life support, no one on earth is going to question where all the millions have gone. It is bizarre.

And although I find the merchandise thing odd, I think that for the people buying the items it helps to make them feel closer and "more of a family" or something like that.

Yes, I think there are probably a lot of lonely types in CA who are enjoying being part of a group, and who feel like they are personal friends of C,C&C

surely the money has to do with rules governing charities?

How is this legal. But I am sure it is. Someone will correct my delusional state here.
It's perfectly legal. Sort of the equivalent of eBay I think, you get the money transferred from their account to yours. Putting your bank details into the public domain is entirely your risk, but if people donate to you then that's their free choice to do so. You just have to sit back and watch the cash roll in.

If they are on benefits they should declare any extra money they are getting.
Neither are working, due to having their child in hospital long term. So I presume they are now on benefits.
They won't be receiving Carers Allowance, since Charlie isn't living at home as he's in hospital long term.
I think if you have more than £6,000 in savings then your benefits are either reduced or stopped.
So since they have money coming in via donations, and technically have £2 million in accessible funds, I would presume they would have to declare this.

Still trying to catch up on this thread and I hope this hasn't already been posted:

Those posters who have received emails thanking them for supporting the CitzenGO petition, run by Americans UNited for Life. The Director and CEO of AUL is Catherine Glen Foster. Who is one of the American Pastors entourage.

Sounds dodgy right?

I don't think anyone begrudges the parents money for their living expenses. Neither of them can work at the moment and it's expensive eating in London.

I know that they will have free accommodation provided because Charlie is in PICU but it's not exactly luxurious. Nobody would begrudge them using the funds for a decent hotel room or apartment near GOSH. The bonus would be that it frees up accommodation for other parents to use.

I'm fairly sure that money donated via GoFundMe etc. cannot be accessed until the 'appeal' is closed and no further monies can be paid in. I can therefore understand why personal bank accounts are being used to be able to use it for day-to-day expenses. I think the unease is about how much is going direct to the family but het, that's up to the people giving their money to worry about I suppose.

Re: the shop - I think they should have stopped at the wrist bands and raised money that way. The other stuff devalues Charlie's plight imo.

Ah, didn't see this post.

I thought on some sites you can't get the money until the appeal is closed so that if people feel they are conned they have a chance to get the money back.

"totallyliterally Tue 11-Jul-17 18:42:46
I just hope a sensible person has access to the just giving. Afaik they send you money weekly/monthly that has been donated. So it's not just all sitting there waiting. It might already being used for stuff."

Re gofund me - nope you can withdraw at any time

As if the shop wasn't distasteful enough. I'm going to get slated for this but I have to say it...

Putting personal bank account details online? Seriously? Are they not bothered about the risk of fraud? Or is it worth it to avoid the admin fees of the legit giving/crowdfunding sites. Why? Could it be to maximise their income and have another avenue for when the legit sites get closed to them?

Who has the time to think about that when your kid is so ill?

The more I think about it, they really must be loose cannons because no legal team in their right mind would encourage this kind of behaviour.

I see the army are talking of a flash mob on Thursday

Thank you @totally I retract my comment about understanding why funds might be going direct into personal accounts then

I can understand wanting to avoid fees with the site but that's what you sign up to.

I think people need to stop donating.

I think they seem to have quite a lot already. I noticed people are donating £100 at a time.

"It's distasteful in the extreme and not in keeping with the ethos of mumsnet." well, it's not in keeping with the ethos of mumsnet to be selling merchandise in the name of your dying child. In fact MN wouldn't allow a thread promoting a merchandise shop for any child to stand.

WRT the money being paid into personal bank accounts, it's easy to see how people could fall into the trap of thinking that was a good idea in terms of them collecting, on the basis that gofundme etc do take a cut for administering. But obviously that money wouldn't be able to be accounted for, but anyone who chooses to pay money into the personal bank account of a stranger presumably does so knowing that once the money has been given they have no say over where it goes, so more fool anyone who actually donates via that route.

However, a merchandise shop is a business, and they would need to declare that. They would also need to forefit any benefits they were receiving when they have a bank account balance of over £16k. Added to which, having a merchandise shop is distasteful in the extreme but on both sides. It's distasteful to be selling this stuff at all, but equally so to be buying it.

Thank you MusicForTheJilted, that is helpful in me trying to understand the personal bank account aspect and I didn't think about it freeing up other rooms in accommodation.