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Charlie gard case thread 2

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Fancythat69 · 08/07/2017 20:22

The last thread is full, Not sure if another has been started.

Theres a CA rally at GOSH planned for tomorrow. What are these people on?

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thatdearoctopus · 10/07/2017 09:32

I don't think GOSH are interested in "winning" as such. Their concern is, and will always be, the well-being of the child. That said, it's not good PR for them, with CA s picketing outside the doors and telling the whole world they're murderers.
One silly woman on FB was railing about how she'd "never use them if her child was sick." Yeah right. Let's see how that pans out if she's ever in the position of her child needing treatment that only they are equipped to give.

Yamayo · 10/07/2017 09:32

Re the argument that parents know their child best.
In this (horrific) situation the parents barely had time to bond with their newborn before his condition became evident and he needed medical intervention.
More than half his life has been spent in hospital hooked to machines- it's not exactly conducive to parents getting to know their baby the way they would normally.

I think the parents are on a massive adrenaline rush. There is nothing they can do to help their poor child but as long as they don't stop (court case, media interventions etc) the reality of the situation won't hit them. They've instead created an internet crusade- one of those feel good stories you read about online and you re-post on Facebook. Except of course in this case there is not going to be a happy ending.

I dread to think what will happen to them when their poor little boy passes away.

Ellie56 · 10/07/2017 09:33

It is my understanding that the little girl in the photo has a different type of the condition. The 15 others who had exactly the same type as Charlie have all died.

brexitstolemyfuture · 10/07/2017 09:35

How has she been slagging off gosh? I've only seen a few interviews but the worst she says is they aren't exports in his condition.

I do totally understand why she would be so dillusional I think many of us would be in such a situation. Sad

brexitstolemyfuture · 10/07/2017 09:35

*Experts

muckypup73 · 10/07/2017 09:37

brexitstolemyfuture, go read charlies army page.

BertrandRussell · 10/07/2017 09:38

I can't cope with all the "Oh, look how he's growing" posts. Too,too awful.

muckypup73 · 10/07/2017 09:40

If the court decide it is time for charlie to die, I truly think mum will regret her time spent campaigning.

CaveMum · 10/07/2017 09:42

I don't think there is any suggestion that Charlie will be allowed to go to America at this stage - he's far too sick to fly and the logistics (let alone insurance) would be a nightmare.

Although Connie and Chris appear to still be asking him for him to be allowed to go to America, the most likely outcome, if the Court agrees to treatment, is that it will be given at GOSH under instruction from the Drs in the US. Or perhaps the Drs will fly here from the US, for a fee no doubt, to supervise.

brexitstolemyfuture · 10/07/2017 09:42

I don't think I can read that page againAngry. So it's the CA people rather than Connie slagging of Gosh?

meddie · 10/07/2017 09:44

The level of denial is staggering, not only in mum but in the CA mob too. I see a child who lies there unresponsive, in his silent, dark world, while people do things to him. he cant cry or express his discomfort so we dont know whether he can even feel pain or is distressed.On what level is that an acceptable existence for anybody.
How anyone can look at those pictures and see a healthy thriving little chunky monky is beyond me.

AlabamaShakes · 10/07/2017 09:44

I'm not a daily mail reader at all but it's interesting that they've been pro Charlie's parents so far, but have published a scathing article on the Pastor.

Very colourful history that man and they also refer to his 'self promotion'

muckypup73 · 10/07/2017 09:45

brexitstolemyfuture, apprently the sister in law has been stirring up charlies army slagging off Gosh.

LapinR0se · 10/07/2017 09:45

So the hearing is at 1or 2pm today, when will we know anything?

SuperBeagle · 10/07/2017 09:47

So the hearing is at 1or 2pm today, when will we know anything?

Probably immediately, since all involved on the CA side seem incapable of keeping their gobs shut.

DorotheaBeale · 10/07/2017 09:47

If he goes to the states...

I don't see how the court can allow it. GOSH will surely present medical evidence that he's too unwell to travel. The court can't disregard that.

WRT to watching the ipad, a witness at the original hearing made a point to the effect that because Charlie can't keep his eyes open, he is not 'learning to see' - that is to interpret the messages that his eyes are sending to his brain. So even if his eyes are open and he appears to be looking at the screen, he doesn't know what he's looking at. And that's without taking brain damage into account.

His eyes sometimes being open means nothing. When a relative of mine was in hospital, deeply unconscious, his eyes were partly open. It did not mean he could see.

muckypup73 · 10/07/2017 09:47

straight away I should think, the look on their faces when they come out of court as all the press will be there.

Alittlepotofrosie · 10/07/2017 09:50

Connie said just this morning that she had been fighting for this treatment to be given to Charlie since last November but gosh didn't want to give it to him. Grossly misrepresenting the facts in order to fit her own narrative and mislead people.

StiffyByng · 10/07/2017 09:50

'Mitochondrial disease' is an enormous collection of conditions, which all have the common feature that the cell mitochondria don't work as they should. Mitochondrial disease itself is a metabolic disorder, so the field of medicine it falls into is metabolic medicine.

Research in the States suggests that 1 in 10 of us is born with some level of mitochondrial dysfunction. Many of us will never know as it will not be severe enough to affect our lives. If you need a lot of sleep to function, your mitochondria might be a bit out of kilter. People live out more or less normal lives with a diagnosis of mitochondrial disease.

It moves along a spectrum from those people to babies who are born so severely affected they die almost immediately.

Each mitochondrial disease has its own features, and adult onset mitochondrial disease is generally less severe but that's not a given.

The depletion syndrome that Charlie has has proved fatal in every other case. Similar syndromes have a different prognosis and take a different course, affecting different parts of the body. People with these conditions are not relevant to Charlie's prognosis.

The rarer the disease, the less certain doctors can be of its course, but the same symptoms will manifest once the mitochondria malfunction, in this case causing severe encephalopathy. So the rarity of the disease doesn't mean the doctors will be unfamiliar with Charlie's condition.

Metabolic disease is an enormously developing field. Links are being made with all sorts of things like ageing, dementia, chronic fatigue; metabolic diseases that can be treated have been added to the heel prick screening and that's made a huge difference to the life chances of those children, who previously could suffer preventable brain damage before diagnoses was made at a later stage.

11122aa · 10/07/2017 09:52

The Minute any Judgement comes. Especially as they will be some supporters protesting outside of the court.

DorotheaBeale · 10/07/2017 09:54

Unless the judge wants more time to consider and delays judgment for a day or two. But I should think he'll want to move on with it as quickly as possible, for Charlie's sake.

11122aa · 10/07/2017 09:54

Have we seen any pictures of Charlie with his eyes open.

sodablackcurrant · 10/07/2017 09:55

Can someone tell me if the court decision today will be final, or is there a higher court that the matter can be appealed to after today, if the court decides against the parents.

I am not in UK, so your judicial system is different to mine.

Thanks.

muckypup73 · 10/07/2017 09:57

I would like to hope that this would be the very final judgement, however you never know, it could get dragged on and on and on and on, costing goodness knows how much money for the hospital.

thatdearoctopus · 10/07/2017 09:59

Even though the hearing is today, I've heard from a couple of sources now that the High Court is expected to rule in the case later in the week.

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