To wonder if a child at a single sex school comes out as transgender

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Will they be expected to leave the school or will they be allowed to stay?

sticklebrix I thoroughly agree, however there are some people who insist that the child has changed sex, so I'd like to know how, if that's the case, they're allowed to stay on. I am inclined to think it's because, deep down, we all know they haven't changed sex

DD was at a private girls' school. Little girl in her class was presenting as a boy. Wore a masculine interpretation of the uniform, short hair cut like a boy's etc. etc. I totally assumed she was a boy at first, as did DD. This year she came back from the summer hols with long hair and in the pinafore version of the uniform.

I don't think there is any such thing as a genuinely trans primary school aged child, or if there is, such children are vanishingly rare. On the other hand, there are children learning about their identities and personal boundaries and trying to carve out an identity in an increasing gender-restrictive and segregated world, and any sensible school should recognise and accommodate that within reason and without general loss of sense or reason, even a single sex one.

I am inclined to think it's because, deep down, we all know they haven't changed sex

I suspect that too CCD

chiefclerk
I've yet to have my answer from posters who insist that a person can change sex as to why, if pupils do, they continue to be educated at schools designed for their original sex
Because before the age of 18, none of them will have had any sort of gender reassignment surgery
so they are their original gender no matter how they dress and act
for those who are XXY that is of course a matter for further debate

later in life, surgery and hormone treatment changes everything

Men/women can have X Scool for Girls/Boys on their CVs anyway. Quite a few places have mixed sixth forms but the school name doesn't alter.

Of course, somewhere like Cheltenham Ladies' which actually can't take boys might be a bit of a giveaway in the future for a transman!

Polka
My friend went to a very well known boys public school.
She goes to reunions in a dress.
She makes no bones about who she was, or about who she is now.

sticklebrix I concur.

Little girl in her class was presenting as a boy. Wore a masculine interpretation of the uniform, short hair cut like a boy's etc. etc. I totally assumed she was a boy at first, as did DD. This year she came back from the summer hols with long hair and in the pinafore version of the uniform.

None of these things made the girl any more or less of a girl. There's no reason for girls to have long hair and plenty of girls don't, likewise with uniform/clothing they wear. In fact I think it's partly the imposition of gender on children which I feel happens from such a young age which is fuelling the regressive belief any child who doesn't associate with the gender deemed appropriate for their sex is trans.

Because before the age of 18, none of them will have had any sort of gender reassignment surgery
so they are their original gender no matter how they dress and act

They will always remain their original sex no matter how they dress, act or anything else. But if the school is in all effect treating them as if they are the opposite sex, eg names, uniform, listing them as the opposite, allowing them to use different bathrooms and changing rooms, it appears that they are accepted as so. If this is the case, why are they allowed to stay?

There was a poster here who claimed to have seen more than one schoolchild undergo hormone treatment and accepted they had changed sex. Activists will claim they have always been the sex they claim to be despite their body. Are you saying they aren't their claimed sex unless they undergo hormone treatment and surgery? Because I have news for you; the majority never undergo surgery and it seems now that there is no need to even take hormones, just declare that you are.

later in life, surgery and hormone treatment changes everything

How so?

Agreed NoLoveofMine

TalkinPeece

so they are their original gender no matter how they dress and act for those who are XXY that is of course a matter for further debate

Intersex organisations have repeatedly asked to be left out of discussions to do with transgenderism. E.g. here:
www.aissg.org/21_OVERVIEW.HTM#Terminology

Because I have news for you; the majority never undergo surgery and it seems now that there is no need to even take hormones, just declare that you are.
I do not consider those people to have actually changed sex.
They are just extreme tomboys

The person I know I met through their (definitely heterosexual) boyfriend.

It would probably be easier than at at mixed school in some ways.

Changing and toileting spaces would be entirely separate so you wouldn't get the transitioning student in with students of the opposite sex.

They are just extreme tomboys

Again, there should be no such thing. A girl acting in a way which is commonly described as such or dressing and appearing in any way she sees fit is no less of a girl.

I do not consider those people to have actually changed sex.
They are just extreme tomboys

Well, that's you considering yourself a bigot as far as activists are concerned. The majority of transwomen never undergo surgery but women are expected to accept them in to their spaces and accept that they are not only female, but have always been so.

Indeed ChiefClerkDrumknott. It's also very regressive.

Changing and toileting spaces would be entirely separate so you wouldn't get the transitioning student in with students of the opposite sex.

But why would they be there at all? If they consider themselves the opposite sex, and the school accepts that, would it not cause the pupil distress to be the only girl in a boys school or vica versa? Would the school not be neglectful of its duty of care if they accepted the pupil had changed sex but allowed them to continue at the school?

I do not consider those people to have actually changed sex.
They are just extreme tomboys

Calling a transman/boy an extreme tomboy is considered highly transphobic.

Ah I misunderstood the context"tomboy" was being used in that post. I still don't think the term should even exist.

So is saying someone has changed sex.

This is because humans can't change sex. Which everyone (I had assumed) knows.

So asking a transwoman if they have changed the sex will be a resounding no, they have always been female, despite their male genitalia.

So asking a transwoman if they have changed the sex will be a resounding no, they have always been female, despite their male genitalia.
Not the one I know.
They openly say that they knew they should have been a girl but knew that they were born with the wrong body
and had the surgery to correct the error as soon as they could.

But to get back to the point of kids in schools
the less of an issue the schools make about it
the more chance the kids will do well in exams and finish education able to work out who they want to be later in life

schools stop being involved at 18 so they really should not stress over it.

TalkinPeece

I'm sure they did say that. Gender dysphoria makes you feel like you have the wrong set of genitals. So I can well understand your friend's assertion.

Unfortunately, the party line has changed. Whether your friend adheres to the party line or not, that is now something that would be labelled transphobic by activists.

Obviously I don't agree with it, it's nonsense.

But logic isn't part of the trans ideology.

Datun
Both friend and I are in our 50's
the party line has somewhat passed us by !

But to get back to the point of kids in schools

So we're not going to go back to the point where you asserted a male with no penis is the same physically as a female with no uterus? Why is that?

Yes of course they should leave. Can't have it all ways!

This.