To wonder if a child at a single sex school comes out as transgender

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Will they be expected to leave the school or will they be allowed to stay?

Although, when i told my boss i was becoming male, she refused me a pay rise! I dont get it.

I can't tell whether that's because the head doesn't really believe that they have changed their gender / sex, so it's immaterial, or whether they are terrified of being labelled a transphobe

Probably a little from column A, a little from column B. These pupils do not change sex therefore they are still welcome at a single sex school and the staff probably know this. No head teacher in their right mind would risk the backlash of saying this therefore will come up with all sorts of excuses as to why, if you can truly become the opposite sex, the pupil is allowed to stay

I had 5 fellow students come out as transgender during year 10-11 over a span of 3 year groups at my all girls school. All stayed on to study sixth form there as there was already a great support network in place for them and the school was very accepting. It caused no problems for us students as by then we knew them for the person they were, the exterior had just changed. I think it helped hugely that the students who were transgender were very open to discuss their transitions, aiding us to be more supportive of their needs. We were all old enough to understand so there was no real problems concerning toilets and changing. The sixth form had separate loos from the rest of the younger school anyway, and those of us who used the sixth form loos had no qualms sharing with our male peers, they were our friends after all. To change the loos were open for them to use.

Also to add. Their gender was changed on all school paperwork to male. So officially on documents, our all girls school did have males in. This had a huge positive impact on the students involved and was great to see from our side that our friend was so supported.

I had a Guide leave the group (Senior Section, so a young adult) to transition to male. He didn't want to be part of a "girls only" group when no longer presenting as a girl. I imagine he would have left an all girls school if he'd gone to one.

lalalandxx Do you truly believe those pupils changed sex?

I'm so bored with people trying to make me believe its possible to change sex. I'm so bored with listening to other people pretend they believe it lest they be labelled transphobic.

I'm surprised that the gender was changed on paperwork. In the case I'm familiar with that hasn't happened while they are still at school. Despite having changed names etc. they still had to sit exams under their name given at birth.

AntiopeofThemyscira Yeah - I agree...

I agree too. I can't help thinking this is the new 'emo'

No, they should not be allowed to stay.
By their own claim they are the other sex. So they ought to deal with everything that comes with that. They can't have it both ways.

That said, if the alternative is to have actual males in a girls' school because they "feel like girls", I prefer that the trans pupils stay in the school for their actual sex.

I'd prefer schools to be separated into schools for females, schools for non-females, and co-ed.

I used to be in favour of letting girls stay in girls's schools as that'd allow them to change their mind about the gendernonsense, but I have since realized that most probably won't do that until they are in their thirties, if at all, and until then, they are best kept away from girls who signed up for a school where they would not be subjected to male violence, biased teaching and all the other shit..

While transwomen have just the same violence levels as other males, apparently transmen manage to trans their behaviour, too, and are more violent than other females.

An all-girls school won't do much good when it is the transed children who get 70% of the teacher's attention, and only 30% are left to the lowly cisgirls.
And obviously that is the thing that would happen if the teachers actually see the transed child as male, as the transed child and the transed child's parents will demand.

I have taught a child in this situation. He stayed at the girls' school but it was near the end of yr 11 so not a big problem. The 6th form was mixed.

I'm so bored with people trying to make me believe its possible to change sex. I'm so bored with listening to other people pretend they believe it lest they be labelled transphobic.

I find the latter more annoying than the former. The former still manages to send my eyebrows on a journey up into my hairline, for now.

lalaland there was no reason for the trans pupils at your school to cause problems re loos and changing rooms, as they started and finished their school careers physically female.

I don't think that there should be significant issues where a child who is already a part of the school community decides to present as the other gender or be non conforming. I'd hope that they would receive the support they need. Of course this comes with the assumption that fellow pupils are simply asked to be nice and not told to accept that the child has actually changed sex.

Where problems are more likely to arise is when children apply to single sex schools on the grounds that they present as the sex the school is intended for. This is likely to cause multiple problems for the school and other pupils. I don't know if it has happened yet, but I am sure it will.

I can't tell whether that's because the head doesn't really believe that they have changed their gender / sex, so it's immaterial, or whether they are terrified of being labelled a transphobe
Maybe because they didn't want to disrupt the child's education.

A single sex school cannot ask a student to leave if they are transgender. It is the law. However, they do not have to accept a transgender student who applies.

So a girls school would keep a FtM transgender student but would not necessarily accept a MtF new applicant. That would be up to the school's discretion.

My friend was trans and was legally a female on his birth certificate, we both joined in sixth form and he was allowed to stay when he started to transition. Nobody commented and all the other girls were supportive.

ds goes to an all boys grammar. the toilets were overhauled last summer and the new design is deliberately done in such a way that they could be used by a trans pupil (I haven't seen it, but something to do with how they are separated)

I don't think the boys would bat an eyelid if one of them was trans.

So for example, if Ronaldo decided today that he was going start living his life as a female, would he still be able to play for his current team, or would he have to join the females team?

Theresnonamesleft

What has that got to do with the discussion in hand? This is about single sex schooling, not a professional footballer. Stop trying to derail a fairly sensible conversation with the usual tripe.

The whole point being discussed here is about students staying at a single Sex school of their biological sex, not their 'new' gender. So bugger all to do with your point

Schools are by sex not gender.

If a trangender pupil refuses to comply to the uniform, they should have the same consequences as any other pupil (detention, perhaps even suspension).

I can't imagine a school would make a pupil leave based on uniform alone.

I was using a professional footballer as an example.
Why isn't it relevant? Take away the footballer and insert anyone in a single sex environment be that school, sports, guides, scouts, etc. Would they be able to stay in that place or would they have to move? If they would have to move then why is this different to school?
And no I won't bugger off. I am not trying to derail a thing. I am simply asking a question.

They're single sex schools, not single gender schools so there's no reason why they should not be allowed to stay.

I don't necessarily see any problem with it (as long as the pupil conforms to school rules, at least to the extent that these are reasonable). Often single sex education is about giving pupils an environment where that particular gender can flourish without gender stereotypes or issues interfering with their learning (e.g. girls not being talked over by more confident boys, girls being encouraged to excel at science and maths without any suggestion that boys might be better, boys being encouraged to take creative subjects without any suggestion that girls might be more interested in them).

A transgender pupil will still have been primarily socialised up to that point within the gender that the school is aimed at. Therefore they will face the same potential issues as other pupils and (in theory) benefit to the same extent from the single sex education. They will also have friends at that school. I don't see how identifying with the other gender from a certain point would necessarily affect the goals of the school or the environment.

It's also about acceptance and tolerance, and making sure that teenagers are supported and not ostracised because of their personal identity. I have significant concerns about transgender issues and women's rights, but I think that in the case of a school age pupil dealing with these issues it's particularly important to be sensitive and it's actually not something that I would necessarily have concerns about.