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To think this woman should absolutely not be allowed to return to the UK

94 replies

MissionItsPossible · 04/07/2017 09:25

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/crying-isis-recruiter-sally-jones-10732432

I know some people may argue about human rights and the fact that she's a British citizen she should be allowed to return to the country where she was born, but even if ISIS changed their stance and let her go, the UK government should do all they can to stop her coming here IMO. Very dangerous lady.

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MidnightAura · 04/07/2017 11:21

She shouldn't be allowed back. She chose to go over there, she chose to get involved and when she plans attacks on her own country she shouldn't then be crying to get back into said country. No sympathy whatsoever. The woman is evil.

gabsdot · 04/07/2017 11:25

A relative of mine used to live next door to her. He said she's nuts. He was surprised she found her way to the airport let alone Syria.

CheesesOfNazereth · 04/07/2017 11:25

What's with all the "throw her in prison" remarks? She hasn't committed any crime under UK jurisdiction, so what would she be charged with?

BorisTrumpsHair · 04/07/2017 11:25

She'd be very very lucky if she was to spend the rest of her sorry life in a UK jail.

Though I think staying and seeing the last days of Da'esh out with the rest of them is more fitting - she's made her choices, chosen her path and now she should take the consequences.

But yeah, of course we have to deal with our own terrorists.

BorisTrumpsHair · 04/07/2017 11:27

Its a crime under the UK Terrorism Act Cheeses - plenty on UK citizens have been charged and found guilty for just attempting to join ISIS

Orlantina · 04/07/2017 11:28

What's with all the "throw her in prison" remarks? She hasn't committed any crime under UK jurisdiction, so what would she be charged with

I think that going to fight for a terrorist organisation is a crime under UK law.

specialsubject · 04/07/2017 11:28

As someone else mentioned, everyone has to have a nationality and as she is British, if she comes back we have to take her. Hopefully straight to a large metal box with a lock.

but it doe sound like it won't happen, she'll get what she asked for from Daesh. That is what she wished on others so it is only fair.

Libbylove2015 · 04/07/2017 11:31

Just think what we could learn from her about the inner workings of ISIS - definitely worth taking her back and bringing her to face justice here.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/07/2017 11:32

I think that going to fight for a terrorist organisation is a crime under UK law

So it seems ... which makes me wonder just how many of the returnees (hundreds of them now, we're told) are in jail?

araiwa · 04/07/2017 11:32

If she can get a flight back then we will let her in. In handcuffs

firawla · 04/07/2017 11:32

What an absolute nutjob - she should just stay out there with them, or if she somehow escaped then she needs to go into solitary prison to prevent her trying to influence or radicalise anyone else. I do have sympathy for the young Bethnal Green girls and kids who get misled into this (of course also totally wrong of them to get involved none the less) but this lady is old enough to know better, and to get her child involved too is sick - poor boy!

Lucysky2017 · 04/07/2017 11:33

She might find it hard to get back here actually and might her younger son (JoJo, a teenager? I think). Her older so never left the UK.

If she comes back she will prosecuted for her crimes. She would probably find giopng to somewhere like Qatar or Saudi or Dubai or Afghanistan if they will have her might work out better for her.

Ceto · 04/07/2017 11:33

I wouldn't count on it ... her lawyers would probably find a reason why that was against her human rights too

This sort of thing is so thick, and so tedious. If human rights prevented criminals from being imprisoned, self-evidently there would be no-one in our prisons.

muckypup73 · 04/07/2017 11:38

I persnally feel that every person that goes to fight for Isis should be banned from the Uk permanently.

MeanAger · 04/07/2017 11:42

but it was my understanding we are talking in a what if sense? Should she be able to come back etc?

Ah ok, it's just you seemed quite concerned about what ISIs were thinking by letting her come back.

Also knowing ISIS reputation what is their rationale with letting her come home? That also concerns me.

meditrina · 04/07/2017 11:42

"So it seems ... which makes me wonder just how many of the returnees (hundreds of them now, we're told) are in jail?"

Proper figures are hard to come by. The number given for returnees varies from about 400 to around 850, but I've no idea how accurate these figures are likely to be (especially as routings are likely to be indirect). Not clear either if this separates out those who went to fight against Da'esh.

The number jailed, according to press reporting from last year, was 14.

But that's not the whole issue. The speed at which returned foreign fighters move around Europe has surprised the authorities. As UK is non-Schengen, we have been to some extent insulated from that.

KimmySchmidt1 · 04/07/2017 11:42

well the first thing I would do if I were you before forming any opinion on anything you read in a sh1t tabloid is to read a story in a broadsheet newspaper.

As you probably know, tabloids are extremely silly and very inaccurate, and you should no more be getting "news" from them than you should be eating every meal at mcdonalds.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/07/2017 11:44

If human rights prevented criminals from being imprisoned, self-evidently there would be no-one in our prisons

Ironic that you should call someone else names and then make a comment like that; surely it's obvious that this is rarely an all or nothing situation?

If you can show that nobody's ever avoided a custodial sentence while their lawyers argue about their human rights, I'll gladly accept that I'm being "thick" and take back every word I said ... however I expect I'll be waiting a long time

BoysofMelody · 04/07/2017 11:47

I persnally feel that every person that goes to fight for Isis should be banned from the Uk permanently

So we'd all be safer if they were left to roam the globe? Riiiight

Farahilda · 04/07/2017 11:48

Here's a broadsheet version

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/sally-jones-isis-recruiter-wants-come-back-uk-syria-british-mother-white-widow-islamic-state-a7822146.html

It's very much the same as the tabloid version, even down to the tears and that she's a former punk rocker.

But it does include this bit: 'In September 2015, the United Nations sanctioned Jones as an agent operating on behalf of a terrorist organisation. She is also on a drone target list drawn up by the US and Britain'.

araiwa · 04/07/2017 11:49

She is British.

Britain is probably the only country she will ever be able to go to

Flowerfae · 04/07/2017 11:51

I doubt she actually wants to come, she is probably being sent back 'to wage jihad blah blah blah'. Let her come back, have armed police waiting to escort her to prison where she belongs (might be able to get some information from her).

Leilaniii · 04/07/2017 11:57

She would probably find going to somewhere like Qatar or Saudi or Dubai or Afghanistan if they will have her might work out better for her.

What makes you think any of those countries would want her? I am in Dubai and she would not be welcome here. In fact, if she came here, she would face a firing squad. That's what they do with terrorists here.

BarbarianMum · 04/07/2017 12:00

Don't much care what happens to her but should her son be recovered he should be helped and treated with kindness - just like any other child soldier. Because that's what he is, just another abused child.

Gingernaut · 04/07/2017 12:08

eudo-citizenship.eu/news/citizenship-news/1160-the-new-powers-of-deprivation-of-citizenship-in-the-uk

Her citizenship can be revoked and she can be detained, tried and punished by the authorities of whichever country she's in.