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To think this woman should absolutely not be allowed to return to the UK

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MissionItsPossible · 04/07/2017 09:25

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/crying-isis-recruiter-sally-jones-10732432

I know some people may argue about human rights and the fact that she's a British citizen she should be allowed to return to the country where she was born, but even if ISIS changed their stance and let her go, the UK government should do all they can to stop her coming here IMO. Very dangerous lady.

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neveradullmoment99 · 04/07/2017 10:33

I think she should be back and put on trial.
I think her son will need help. He should be put into psychiatric assessment of some sort to try and fix the damage done.

foxychox · 04/07/2017 10:33

She is vile and now dangerous as well. Let her come back and spend her time in solitary to avoid radicalising other prisoners. As for her poor son, he will need a lifetime of care to get over what she has done to him....

meditrina · 04/07/2017 10:34

She's a British citizen, so unless the government strips her of her citizenship.

Which it can do, but only for those who also hold another nationality - last time that it was done rendering someone stateless was during WW2 for a handful of cases of Brits joining enemy combatants. There's been a UN treaty since then strengthening provisions against leaving someone stateless.

Da'esh aren't going to deport her, and she cannot leave. Only if she escapes will she turn up here again.

At which point she can expect to be arrested, as membership of certain organisations (defined and redefined by the Government periodically) is an offence under the terrorism act.

Anyone who has lived with Da'esh can expect that on return, regardless of age, because of what they could learn in terrorist training camps. If you have the stomach for it, you can google for information. You don't have to go to the very radical sites (which is problematic in itself) to find sickening detail, including how children are trained to kill.

0nline · 04/07/2017 10:35

Other than this woman interviewed is there any other source claiming similar in terms of her wanting to come home ?

I think there is a huge obligation to get her child back to Britain if at all possible. He is a British citizen, a minor who has been outrageously abused and harmed by his mother. I don't know where you would even begin to help him, but I can't see any room for not trying if he should pop up somewhere where he could be hoiked out and brought home.

However, realistically could either of them get out of there alive ? As a final hurrah ISIS would likely have a killing spree of anybody perceived to be an intelligence gift to western security forces, wouldn't they ?

She had a high profile as the White Widow, unless it was just propaganda rhubarb, it might be the case that she knows too much about too many people to risk her falling into the hands of western intelligence agencies.

Birdsgottaf1y · 04/07/2017 10:40

""What about that son of hers, though? He's only about 12 and he's killed all these people... what on earth would you do with him?""
!!Really good question. Suppose it'd be youth justice and life in prison.""

Many countries use child soldiers, they start to de-sensitise by them watching rape and torture, then build it up. There has been calls to remove Government funding from groups or countries that use children, but we and the US still continue to do so.

There are many projects that rescue (they are abused children) them, they then manage to turn a large percentage of them into people who can function in a society. It's the same principle as not giving upon children that are sold and used as sex slaves.

We should accept them back and then start the assessment of what to do with her and if her son needs to be removed completely from her care.

PetalsOnPearls · 04/07/2017 10:42

Her son will be utterly traumatised, I do think that he could be rehabilitated though. It's like he has chosen this life for himself, it's just that it's the only life he knows.

Solitary imprisonment for her.

Mandalorian · 04/07/2017 10:42

Bring her back, prosecute, jail her for life. How much is that going to cost the British taxpayer?
Let her rot where she is. If a strike doesn't get her no doubt her brethren will turn on her soon enough.

PetalsOnPearls · 04/07/2017 10:43

However, realistically, I think this interview is probably going to get her killed. And her son.

Clandestino · 04/07/2017 10:47

Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. No matter what she has done, she's a British citizen and has the right of protection under the laws of the UK. If UK finds a reason to prosecute her, she should be rightfully prosecuted.
Have the British sunk so low that selective justice and legal protection have become the normality? I thought that was only for the likes of the Nazi Mail readership.

SlothMama · 04/07/2017 10:48

I'd rather she be left there, she made her decision to go why welcome her back? Even if she is put in prison she can then radicalize other inmates, whilst wasting tax payers money on keeping her in there.

Maybe I'm just heartless, but I believe in zero tolerance when it comes to terrorism

MeanAger · 04/07/2017 10:49

Well if I were one of those anti terror spy people I would be paying very careful attention to sally jones and anyone connected to her in the UK and wherever she is now. All those tweets about wanting to behead people/get to paradise/recruit female jihadis etc and then all of a sudden she is crying to come home? Nah. No-ones really buying that are they? Whoever Aisha Is, she is obviously part of their current plan to feed us bullshit information. To distract or redirect our attentions. While they do whatever it is they actually have planned. She is directing people to avoid the tube in London in the summer? Yeah, that's not how Isis work.

woodhill · 04/07/2017 10:51

Stupid women. Maybe it's a power thing. Poor ds.

viques · 04/07/2017 10:52

The way things are going there will soon be a lot more ISIS recruits wanting to come back .Apparently two were arrested the other day coming back via Turkey. I hope the charges against them all are robust enough to get through the courts and that the sentencing guidelines are followed through.

I do not know what will happen to any children though. they wil mostly be below the age of responsibility , so although they may have been brainwashed and radicalised , and possibly even have committed acts that are beyond description I don't know what you can do with them. Can children so damaged be restored to normality, Would it be sensible to return them to the communities that radicalised their parents in the first place although that would be the humane thing to do. Would taking them from their families only build up future resentment. I am glad I am not having to make those decisions.

I remember the school girls from Bethnal Green who took make up and hair removal cream with them, I thought at the time they clearly thought they were set for romantic trysts in the desert with handsome young freedom fighters. The brutal reality must have been devastating.I am torn between anger at the people who deliberately set out to destroy young minds with lies , and worry that the humanity they once had is beyond reach and that returning ISIS recruits are now so corrupted by evil that they pose real danger to us all.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/07/2017 10:57

If she returns here, she will go straight to jail for a very long time, right?

I wouldn't count on it ... her lawyers would probably find a reason why that was against her human rights too

BabsGanoush · 04/07/2017 10:57

It sounds like ISIS won't let her go, she'll probably be married off to another brother to make more babies for the cause.

Instead she's had enough now and wants to come home. She no doubt wants (the tax payer to provide) a nice semi detached house, enough benefits to buy a little Fiat 500, see a dentist every 6 months, shop in Aldi once a week, watch X Factor on a Saturday night and order a Deliveroo pizza.

OldHabitsDieHard · 04/07/2017 11:02

What happened to the Bethnal Green girls? Are they home?

meditrina · 04/07/2017 11:03

I wouldn't count on it ... her lawyers would probably find a reason why that was against her human rights too

That's not been attempted with the other returners who have been tried under the terrorism act, found guilty and received custodial sentences.

It sounds like ISIS won't let her go, she'll probably be married off to another brother to make more babies for the cause.

According to the report, she already has been, and will not be permitted to leave as she is living in some protected compound for the wives and families of fighters.

1DAD2KIDS · 04/07/2017 11:03

Well even ignoring the terrorist activity, the hateful ideology she subscribe to and the general sense that she has basically done a big turd on all of us in this country, what about the child? She has committed such a clear and dispicable case of child abuse and neglect. That poor child, how can any parent sign their child up to such a life. To what extent her actions are hers to own and to what extent she was manipulated I don't know. But she must have had some grasp of what she was doing and some mistakes cant be undone. She turned her back on us all and I don't see what responsibility we have to providing her a descent life. But has she is British I suppose we do have a responsibility to prevent her causing more harm to the world. As to her poor son we should do are very best to repair him and offer a descent future, he is a victim of a horrible and wicked mother. To that end I cant she any justification (sadly) that he should remain with or have contact with his mother if they do come back.

If she really felt true remorse she should send her son back, stay out there and work to right the many wrongs that ISIS have committed. She should spend the next 20 years out there committed to repairing the damage her involvement has help done. That is the only way I can see her doing something positive for her son. But I suspect she just wants to come back to the UK for the easy life now ISIS is collapsing around her. And this really annoys me as whatever we do with her (lock her up or keep her under close surveillance or rehousing her at some point or the benefits or just simply all the red tape and legal issues) is going to cost the tax payer a fortune.

0nline · 04/07/2017 11:04

she'll probably be married off to another brother to make more babies for the cause

At 48 ? Babies kind of a long shot.

What happened to the Bethnal Green girls?

One is dead. Killed in a strike IIRC. AFAIK the other 2 are still out there.

AppearingNormal · 04/07/2017 11:05

Human Rights come with Human Responsibility, she has surrendered both. If she comes back and is imprisoned she would seek to radicalise others. At our expense. The reality of her not being allowed back might stop others taking the same path.

meditrina · 04/07/2017 11:06

One of the Bethnal Green three is believed to have been killed in an air strike last summer.

They were married off to fighters.

One managed to get word out about being thoroughly unhappy and wanting to leave.

But Da'esh don't want anyone to leave and torture/execute those who are caught making the attempt.

MeanAger · 04/07/2017 11:07

There was no mention in that article of her bringing her son back with her. Even if this was a genuine desire to give up Isis and return home (it isn't) She wouldn't be bringing her son. He doesn't belong to her. She wouldn't be allowed to take him.

1DAD2KIDS · 04/07/2017 11:07

Also knowing ISIS reputation what is their rationale with letting her come home? That also concerns me.

MeanAger · 04/07/2017 11:08

1DAD did you read the link? They aren't letting her come home. There is no question of her coming home.

1DAD2KIDS · 04/07/2017 11:21

Yes i did read it, but it was my understanding we are talking in a what if sense? Should she be able to come back etc? Obvisoly I am not the only one of this understanding.

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