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The one where Trump just can't stop being Trump

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TheClaws · 01/07/2017 05:34

Time for a new 'un.

Old thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2958743-Its-too-hot-for-high-drama-but-nonetheless-we-persist-Trump-cont

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/07/2017 09:51

Thanks perking!

Daniel Lin‏ @danwlin

TRUMP: Did you interfere?
PUTIN: No
T: Time to move forward

TRUMP: Were you born in US?
OBAMA: Yes
T: This requires five years of suspicion

thedcbrokemybank · 10/07/2017 09:57

Loving Twitter this morning. The response to Donny Jnr is scathing.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/07/2017 10:06

It's been the first morning for awhile where I'm feeling optimistic. My twitter feed is full of tweets about how even Brexit-supporting newspapers are highlighting the negative effects of Brexit and there's also lots of talk about collusion and the snowballing of the Trump/Russia issue.

I know it's my very own carefully curated echo chamber but there does seem to be a marked change of tone regarding both issues.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/07/2017 10:47

This is not significant in the scale of things but his pettiness is breathtaking (my bolding):

www.politico.com/story/2017/07/10/president-trump-enemies-list-240344

Donald Trump is less than six months into his presidency, yet one of the organizing principles of his political operation is already becoming clear: Payback.

In private, Trump has spoken of spending $10 million out of his own pocket to defeat an incumbent senator of his own party, Jeff Flake of Arizona, according to two sources familiar with the conversation last fall. More recently, the president celebrated the attacks orchestrated by a White House-sanctioned outside group against another Republican senator, Dean Heller of Nevada, who has also been openly critical of him.

Fear of Trump reprisals has led one Republican congresswoman, Martha Roby of Alabama, to launch an intense campaign to win over a president who remembers every political slight — and especially those who abandoned him following the October release of the 2005 “Access Hollywood” tape in which he bragged about sexually assaulting women.

At the time, Roby called Trump “unacceptable” and said she wouldn’t vote for him. But the president, who is popular in Alabama, ended up carrying her district by wide margin. And since the inauguration, she has gone to the White House four times to attend Trump-hosted events and on two other occasions to meet with his daughter, Ivanka. During the Rose Garden celebration following the House’s passage of the health care bill, the four-term congresswoman offered the president a personal compliment while shaking his hand: “Good job,” she told him, according to a source close to Roby who was briefed on the exchange

White House officials have taken notice of Roby’s efforts to make amends and view her efforts with some skepticism. While in the Oval Office for a NASA bill signing in March, Roby sidled up next to Trump — putting her front-and-center for the photo-op. Behind her push for the president’s approval is a stark political reality: She is facing a fierce primary challenge from a Trump stalwart who has turned her past opposition to the president into the focal point of his campaign.

The backstage machinations provide a glimpse into Trump’s approach to politics and how it is shaping the 2018 midterm election landscape. Trump’s obsession with loyalty and penchant for keeping close track of personal slights — both well-documented by his biographers and in coverage of his presidency — colors his approach not only toward his political foes but toward his own party’s candidates, even at the risk of jeopardizing GOP incumbents.

“The president once told me that the most important lesson he learned from Roy Cohn was loyalty,” said Christopher Ruddy, a longtime Trump friend and the chief executive of the conservative website Newsmax, referring to the ruthless New York fixer and attorney who mentored the president early in his real estate career. “He believes in that strongly in all his friendships.”

White House spokespersons did not respond to a request for comment for this story.

Even before the 2016 campaign was over, Trump began talking about how as president he would strike back at the members of his party who wronged him, according to a senior campaign aide. Administration officials have been struck by his ability to recall what Republicans said about him before his victory, especially those who criticized him following the release of the Access Hollywood tape — a decisive moment that crystallized for the then-GOP nominee who his true friends were. Even today, Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, according to one administration official, is routinely reminded that he told Trump to quit the race.

Two different White House aides say the president now relishes that some of those who crossed him, like Roby, are scrambling to get in his good graces.

(And on it goes - tis a good read)

Lweji · 10/07/2017 10:51

Yes, he'd never have chosen his main opponent to be Secretary of State.

BossyBitch · 10/07/2017 11:23

Pain, I'm not even sure whether this is actually insignificant in the grand scale of things. This kind of stuff tends to have a number of implications that would seem to have ample potential for actual problems.

First and foremost, of course, it makes you worry if the same pattern applies to international politics, i.e. if the US at any given moment might start a war over the fact that some prime minister somewhere or other made a dinner joke POTUS didn't like. Or impose sanctions, or boycott a treaty, ... the opportunities for pettiness are plenty.

Secondly, the potential for domestic policy impact can hardly be overstated. You run the danger of the administration/ congress/ states either deadlocking themselves over petty squabbles or - which is arguably even worse - a country that might be sleep-walking into authoritarianism because dissenters are too afraid to incur the wrath of the Childish One to speak up. Either seems bloody scary from where I'm sitting.

FWIW, my workplace is currently embroiled in a bit of a bunfight between two very senior people. They hate each other to an extent that battle lines have been drawn not only between the two protagonists but between their respective underlings in some kind of an office-proxy-war. It's cringeworthy! However, nobody in that setting would dare to stoop to anything approaching this level of pettiness. That's because they'd all get fired on the spot for endangering our business - and rightly so!

Orlantina · 10/07/2017 11:32

Look at what he's retweeted

Donald J. Trump Retweeted
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Only now with a #RealPresident do we see the scope of destruction engineered by #Obama and the #Democrat cabal. @realDonaldTrump #America

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Orlantina · 10/07/2017 11:33

Donald J. Trump Retweeted
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.@carriesheffield: The mainstream media is neglecting their duty to represent the public. They've failed to represent half of the country.

Doesn't he know how the media works?

Orlantina · 10/07/2017 11:46

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James Comey leaked CLASSIFIED INFORMATION to the media. That is so illegal!

I was under the impression that some of the memos contained classified information.

Are they the ones that he leaked to the media?

Roussette · 10/07/2017 11:49

God he's so petty isn't he. How worrying and awful he can bear grudges for so long... he may be senile but one thing he doesn't seem to forget is any personal slight. It must be like being at school in the WH.

And no wonder he hates Obama so much - WH correspondents dinner and Obama setting the room on fire with his speech mentioning Trump more than once and Trump sat there with a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp.

Orlantina · 10/07/2017 11:49

Busy morning

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 1m1 minute ago
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I cannot imagine that Congress would dare to leave Washington without a beautiful new HealthCare bill fully approved and ready to go!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/07/2017 11:56

From the article from the hill that someone linked to earlier:

More than half of the memos former FBI chief James Comey wrote as personal recollections of his conversations with President Trump about the Russia investigation have been determined to contain classified information, according to interviews with officials familiar with the documents.

This revelation raises the possibility that Comey broke his own agency’s rules and ignored the same security protocol that he publicly criticized Hillary Clinton for in the waning days of the 2016 presidential election.

Comey testified last month he considered the memos to be personal documents and that he shared at least one of them with a Columbia University lawyer friend. He asked that lawyer to leak information from one memo to the news media in hopes of increasing pressure to get a special prosecutor named in the Russia case after Comey was fired as FBI director.

“So you didn’t consider your memo or your sense of that conversation to be a government document?,” Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) asked Comey on June 8. “You considered it to be, somehow, your own personal document that you could share to the media as you wanted through a friend?”
“Correct,” Comey answered. “I understood this to be my recollection recorded of my conversation with the president. As a private citizen, I thought it important to get it out.”

Comey insisted in his testimony he believed his personal memos were unclassified, though he hinted one or two documents he created might have been contained classified information.

But when the seven memos Comey wrote regarding his nine conversations with Trump about Russia earlier this year were shown to Congress in recent days, the FBI claimed all were, in fact, deemed to be government documents.

While the Comey memos have been previously reported, this is the first time there has been a number connected to the amount of the memos the ex-FBI chief wrote.

Four of the memos had markings making clear they contained information classified at the “secret” or “confidential” level, according to officials directly familiar with the matter.

Congressional investigators had already begun examining whether Comey’s creation, storage and sharing of the memos violated FBI rules, but the revelation that four of the seven memos included some sort of classified information opens a new door of inquiry into whether classified information was mishandled, improperly stored or improperly shared.

Now,congressional investigators are likely to turn their attention to the same issues to determine if Comey mishandled any classified information in his personal memos.

In order to make an assessment, congressional investigators will have to tackle key questions, such as:

Where and how were the memos were created, such as whether they were written on an insecure computer or notepad.
Where and how the memos were stored, such as inside his home, his briefcase or an insecure laptop.
Were any memos shown to private individuals without a security clearance and did those memos contain any classified information
When was it determined by the government that the memos contained classified information, before Comey took them and shared one or after.
One avenue for answering those questions is for a panel like Senate Intelligence, House Intelligence or Senate Judiciary to refer the matter to the Justice Department’s internal watchdog, the inspector general, or to the Director of National Intelligence and its inspector general, aides said.

So I'm not sure if the one he sent to his friend to give to the press was deemed as classified but I suppose that would fall under a committe investigation

Orlantina · 10/07/2017 11:58

If the President makes an accusation about someone that is false, can they be sued?

lionheart · 10/07/2017 12:00

He was bound to seize the Comey line and try to run with it.

Orlantina · 10/07/2017 12:03

Oooops

www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/10/latest-china-says-us-has-apologized-for-name-gaffe.html

In a statement issued Saturday about a meeting in Germany between Xi and U.S. President Donald Trump, the White House press office described Xi as president of the Republic of China, the formal name for Taiwan. Communist China, led by Xi, is called the People's Republic of China.

The issue is particularly sensitive because Beijing insists that Taiwan is part of its territory.

lionheart · 10/07/2017 12:05

Not that I am judging anyone, you understand. Smile

The one where Trump just can't stop being Trump
lionheart · 10/07/2017 12:15

It is a good read Pain. I find it incredible that those GOP reps. are so desperate to appease him or stave off his vengeance.

Pure self-interest that cancels out all integrity and pride?

Or do they justify it by saying they can do more good from the inside?

The latter might matter more if they are biding their time and will make a stand at some point. From this perspective they might secretly hope it will collapse for Trump and they can stick it to him.

TheClaws · 10/07/2017 12:31

James Comey leaked CLASSIFIED INFORMATION to the media. That is so illegal!

That's, like, SOOO illegal guys! Like, really illegal. Hmm

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BossyBitch · 10/07/2017 12:37

OMFG, his choice of words is like so tota like presidential, you guys!

What IS wrong with him? Seventy-one going on seventeen, it seems. Grin

lionheart · 10/07/2017 13:18

Sopan Deb‏Verified account @SopanDeb 15h15 hours ago
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Speaking of adoption, we are a couple hours from a Trump tweet that says Don Jr is adopted.

lionheart · 10/07/2017 13:22

Keith Olbermann‏Verified account @KeithOlbermann 2m2 minutes ago
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Keith Olbermann Retweeted Donald J. Trump
Gosh! Trump's FIRST tweet about Clinton's "missing 33,000 emails" looks to be from 6/9/16 - after Junior, Kushner, Manafort met the Russian

cozietoesie · 10/07/2017 13:26

You'll note the likely reason for slapping on a steel tariff.

Trump and Steel

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/07/2017 13:31

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
If Chelsea Clinton were asked to hold the seat for her mother,as her mother gave our country away, the Fake News would say CHELSEA FOR PRES!

Chelsea Clinton‏Verified account
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Chelsea Clinton Retweeted Donald J. Trump
Good morning Mr. President. It would never have occurred to my mother or my father to ask me. Were you giving our country away? Hoping not.

cozietoesie · 10/07/2017 13:36

It's really not a good idea for him to reference Chelsea Clinton. Wink

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