Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

The one where Trump just can't stop being Trump

976 replies

TheClaws · 01/07/2017 05:34

Time for a new 'un.

Old thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2958743-Its-too-hot-for-high-drama-but-nonetheless-we-persist-Trump-cont

OP posts:
Thread gallery
38
ElenaGreco123 · 09/07/2017 18:35

SanFran Enjoy. It may not be the same, but the actors are so good in the current version as well.

AcrossthePond55 · 09/07/2017 19:26

SanFran That's funny because I couldn't 'get into' the UK version of HoC. I think it's because we have different stereotypes of politicians and their behaviour in the US vs the UK. I think political machinations have different 'subtleties' too. The things Urquhart did to accomplish his ends didn't always 'make sense' to me whereas what Frank Underwood does makes sense.

I also think I have less of an understanding of how politics 'works' in the UK Parliament vs the US Congress.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 09/07/2017 19:32

I think some of us are questioning whether UK politics does actually 'work', Across, so you are not the only confused soul.

AcrossthePond55 · 09/07/2017 19:35

Scrotie and Pootie 'Making The Internet Safe Again'. Now doesn't that just make you all feel nice and secure?

My eyes hurt from rolling so hard. 🙄😳🙄😳🙄😳🙄😳

AcrossthePond55 · 09/07/2017 19:37

Morti Both US and UK politics work just fine for 'them', don't they? Just not so much for us!

Orlantina · 09/07/2017 19:39

I also think I have less of an understanding of how politics 'works' in the UK Parliament vs the US Congress

I'd recommend Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister Grin

cozietoesie · 09/07/2017 19:48

Still essential viewing, Orlantina. Wink

BiglyBadgers · 09/07/2017 20:15

I'd recommend Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister

I would recommend The Thick of It. Compare to West Wing for a fine illustration of the differing regard politicians are held in across both sides of the pond.

America: striding down corridors making witty and insightful comment on the contradictions inherent in the American condition.
UK: creative swearing in the back of taxis.

I have a theory that Americans make a basic assumptions that anyone in the position of president is basically a god-like higher being, hence they can't get their head round the existence of trump and won't remove him. Whereas in the UK we assume all our politicians, prime minister's in particular, are incompetent leaches, hence our failiure to remove May due to the general view there is nobody any better available. Different mindset, same basic result.

Orlantina · 09/07/2017 20:37

You could also watch some PMQs - and not just the section between Corbyn and May. There's the other questions - especially the sycophantic ones.

Does the Prime Minister agree with me that the Conservatives are brilliant Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/07/2017 21:32

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

For years, even as a "civilian," I listened as Republicans pushed the Repeal and Replace of ObamaCare. Now they finally have their chance!

"They" not "we"

PerkingFaintly · 09/07/2017 21:36

Ooh, very perspicacious, Pain.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/07/2017 21:57

Ivo Daalder @IvoHDaalder
·
50m

Mnuchin compares US-Russia "Cyber Security Unit" to military exercises with Allies. Note to WH: Russia isn't an Ally.

Trump doesn't come consider himself as part of the republicans, Russia is an ally...

The one where Trump just can't stop being Trump
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/07/2017 21:59

Jake Tapper @jaketapper

.@NikkiHaley tells @DanaBashCNN: ‘We can’t trust Russia, and we won't ever trust Russia..." #CNNsotu
t.co/vQPKjh5YC4?amp=1

David Corn @DavidCornDC
This woman just doesn't get the memos.

Orlantina · 09/07/2017 22:02

Next week press briefings will be interesting.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/07/2017 22:10

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Putin & I discussed forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that election hacking, & many other negative things, will be guarded..

Lauren Werner @LaurenWern
On "cyber-security," Trump wants to team up w/ a country that hacked & meddled in our election. That country is now hacking our power plants

Putin was likely trolling Trump when he said "let's work on cyber-security together"... That's how much of an imbecile our POTUS is.

This is like when your parents tell you not to take candy from a stranger in a van. Trump took the candy & got in the van. He's so naive.

I'm not so sure about naive

Orlantina · 09/07/2017 22:11

I wonder who the cyber security team will protect the USA from?

Now that's a basic question to ask Trump.

saffronwblue · 09/07/2017 22:15

He is keen to put the fox in charge of the henhouse, isn't he?
I just keep hoping that the more outrageous Trump is, the more likely his fellow republicans are to turn on him. Please God.

Orlantina · 09/07/2017 22:19

the more likely his fellow republicans are to turn on him

His fellow Republicans????? Grin Shock

Has anyone told Trump?

cozietoesie · 09/07/2017 22:26

It depends whether they 'win' or not. Wink

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/07/2017 22:29

<a class="break-all" href="https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html?referer=t.co/qXaa3geb2c?amp=1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html?referer=t.co/qXaa3geb2c?amp=1

Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

President Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign, according to three advisers to the White House briefed on the meeting and two others with knowledge of it.

The meeting was also attended by his campaign chairman at the time, Paul J. Manafort, and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kushner only recently disclosed the meeting, though not its content, in confidential government documents described to The New York Times.

The Times reported the existence of the meeting on Saturday. But in subsequent interviews, the advisers and others revealed the motivation behind it.

The meeting — at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016, two weeks after Donald J. Trump clinched the Republican nomination — points to the central question in federal investigations of the Kremlin’s meddling in the presidential election: whether the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians. The accounts of the meeting represent the first public indication that at least some in the campaign were willing to accept Russian help.

And while President Trump has been dogged by revelations of undisclosed meetings between his associates and the Russians, the episode at Trump Tower is the first such confirmed private meeting involving members of his inner circle during the campaign — as well as the first one known to have included his eldest son. It came at an inflection point in the campaign, when Donald Trump Jr., who served as an adviser and a surrogate, was ascendant and Mr. Manafort was consolidating power.

It is unclear whether the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, actually produced the promised compromising information about Mrs. Clinton. But the people interviewed by The Times about the meeting said the expectation was that she would do so.

In a statement on Sunday, Donald Trump Jr. said he had met with the Russian lawyer at the request of an acquaintance. “After pleasantries were exchanged,” he said, “the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”

He said she then turned the conversation to adoption of Russian children and the Magnitsky Act, an American law that blacklists suspected Russian human rights abusers. The law so enraged President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia that he retaliated by halting American adoptions of Russian children.

“It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting,” Mr. Trump said.

When he was first asked about the meeting on Saturday, he said only that it was primarily about adoptions and mentioned nothing about Mrs. Clinton.

(It goes on - worth a read!)

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/07/2017 22:40

NBC News @NBCNews

JUST IN: Donald Trump Jr. responds to reports that he met with Kremlin-linked lawyer during campaign

The one where Trump just can't stop being Trump
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/07/2017 22:50

The Hill @thehill
Pope Francis: The alliance between the US and Russia is dangerous

thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/341199-pope-francis-us-russia-alliance-dangerous?amp

It feels like things are...escalating

Lweji · 09/07/2017 22:51

I wonder who the cyber security team will protect the USA from?

It's got to be Aliens. Remember that he now has great intel. Intel that we have no idea of. Tremendous intel.

Aliens watched Independence Day and plan to destroy us all with a virus.

lionheart · 09/07/2017 23:07

Does this count as collusion?

Orlantina · 09/07/2017 23:10

He went to meet up with someone who he knew to be Russian because he thought they had info on Clinton?

And he thought that was a good thing?