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The one where Trump just can't stop being Trump

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TheClaws · 01/07/2017 05:34

Time for a new 'un.

Old thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2958743-Its-too-hot-for-high-drama-but-nonetheless-we-persist-Trump-cont

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/07/2017 17:36

<a class="break-all" href="https://mobile.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/07/04/us/ap-us-house-election-georgia-lawsuit.html?referer=t.co/KbH9aivd82?amp=1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mobile.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/07/04/us/ap-us-house-election-georgia-lawsuit.html?referer=t.co/KbH9aivd82?amp=1

Lawsuit Seeks to Void Georgia Congressional Election Results

Lawsuit Seeks to Void Georgia Congressional Election Results
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
JULY 4, 2017

ATLANTA — Georgia's electronic touchscreen voting system is so riddled with problems that the results of the most expensive House race in U.S. history should be tossed out and a new election held, according to a lawsuit filed by a government watchdog group and six Georgia voters.

The lawsuit was filed Monday in Fulton County Superior Court by the Colorado-based Coalition for Good Governance and voters who are members of the group. It seeks to overturn the results of the June 20 runoff election between Republican Karen Handel and Democrat Jon Ossoff in Georgia's 6th Congressional District. Handel was declared the winner with 52 percent of the vote to Ossoff's 48.

The named defendants include Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp, members of the State Election Board, local election officials in Fulton, Cobb and DeKalb counties and the Center for Election Systems at Kennesaw State University.

The lawsuit claims Georgia's touchscreen voting system has severe security problems, lacks verifiable paper ballots and cannot be legally used for elections.

A judge in June threw out a related lawsuit earlier that attempted to force Georgia to use paper ballots.

The new lawsuit comes weeks after the publication of a classified National Security Agency report describing a sophisticated scheme, allegedly by Russian military intelligence, to infiltrate local U.S. elections systems using phishing emails.

The suit cites the work of private cybersecurity researcher Logan Lamb, who discovered last August that a misconfigured server had left Georgia's 6.7 million voter records and other sensitive files exposed to hackers. The complaint also notes that seven months after Lamb made that discovery, another researcher was able to do the same.

A spokeswoman for Kemp did not immediately respond to a request for comment Tuesday. But in a column Sunday in USA Today, Kemp blamed the news media for developing "false narratives about Russian hacking and potential vulnerabilities in the system. The prevailing plot line is that states like Georgia can't provide suitable security for elections."

Kemp asserted that states are doing enough to keep elections secure, and he said, "Anything to the contrary is fake news."

Marilyn Marks, executive director of the Coalition for Good Governance, said the lawsuit was filed hours ahead of a deadline at midnight Monday to contest the election. She says the group does election integrity work in multiple states.

SanFranBear · 05/07/2017 18:54

Fake News... gah, that term makes me see red Angry and every time I see it, I think it's such a cop out. Don't explain yourself or attempt to show how they've misunderstood, just state Fake News and you're all set.. grrrrrrrrr!

lionheart · 05/07/2017 20:37

I hear you, Fran.

WestleyAndButtockUp · 05/07/2017 20:57

Here's my question:

During the Hillary campaign there was excited speculation that the Democrats might just take the Presidency, and the Senate, and the House.

But when you looked into it, it was clear that the Democrats didn't ever have a chance of taking the House, because of gerrymandering.

Looking to 2018, there does seem to be a confidence that the Dems might be able to take the House.

Is this just as delusional as in 2016, or are there different circumstances for 2018? I mean, is the optimism ONLY based on Trump's plummeting unpopularity, or are there different House seats up for grabs, or something?

lionheart · 05/07/2017 21:22

Some detail here:

ballotpedia.org/United_States_Congress_elections,_2018

Orlantina · 05/07/2017 22:13

Vice President Pence‏Verified account
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"Real news" -> 36 states have agreed or are considering providing publicly available voter data to @POTUS Election Integrity Commission.

So the states are going to provide publicly available data

cozietoesie · 05/07/2017 22:19

Of course. They're required to by law.

For a price. Smile

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 05/07/2017 22:21

Orlantina - Your post has confused me. If its publicly available, why don't the WH have it already? I thought they'd requested the whole dataset (not publicly available).

cozietoesie · 05/07/2017 22:22

They have. Grin

Orlantina · 05/07/2017 22:23

I thought they'd requested the whole dataset (not publicly available)

I'm only tweeting what Pence said. Who knows what they reality is?

cozietoesie · 05/07/2017 22:25

They'll be providing the data which is mandated by law and for the price set down. Smile

Orlantina · 05/07/2017 22:51

Pence at it again

Vice President Pence‏Verified account @VP 4m4 minutes ago
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Met pro-life leaders at @WhiteHouse & reaffirmed @POTUS' commitment to the sanctity of life as we work on the Obamacare repeal/replace plan.

cozietoesie · 05/07/2017 22:58

I've rather lost track of the timetable on that, I fear.

Is there to be a vote soon?

lionheart · 05/07/2017 23:23

This is an interesting piece on Trump's preferred lawyers.

www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/magazine/all-the-presidents-lawyers.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

cozietoesie · 06/07/2017 00:50

Orlantina

My take is that Pence is busy saying to the 'heartland' - 'I'm still your man. I haven't forgotten the mumble.........'

TheClaws · 06/07/2017 03:32

Adam Schiff‏Verified account @RepAdamSchiff 3h3 hours ago
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.@POTUS must raise Russia's interference in our election with Putin, or the Kremlin will conclude he is too weak to confront them directly.

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Roussette · 06/07/2017 07:53

DJT due to meet Pootin today then... I wonder what that handshake will be like...

It's all smoke and mirrors - "let's pretend I don't cozy up to Russia"..

www.thedailybeast.com/trump-aides-want-kremlin-critic-in-putin-meeting

"aides have been pushing to stack the meeting with officials who might help nudge Trump in the right direction—or at least present a more politically palatable front.
“The idea is to get as many adults in the room as humanly possible,” one senior administration official said."

So, have so many adults in the room that Trump can't bloop, unlike his May meeting with the two Russian officials!

lionheart · 06/07/2017 08:18

Here too:

thehill.com/homenews/administration/340761-advisers-want-kremlin-critic-in-trumps-meeting-with-putin-report

I imagine quite a few other people will be monitoring the various excanges between the Trumpers and their pals.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/07/2017 08:24

www.latimes.com/politics/la-fg-trump-putin-20170704-story,amp.html

An excerpt (emphasis mine):

Should Trump prove unprepared, that won’t be for lack of effort on the Americans’ side.

Leading up to his first face-to-face meeting with Putin, U.S. intelligence officials have prepared a detailed psychological profile of the long-serving Russian strongman, a former KGB officer who spent decades recruiting spies for the Soviet Union and mastered the art of bending people to his will.

The profile, according to two U.S. officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the preparations, is part of a thick binder prepared for Trump. The president often doesn’t read the usual briefing books and relies on in-person briefings, the officials said, so aides also have written a list of tweet-length sentences that summarize the main points Trump could bring up with Putin.

Yet senior aides have been mute on exactly what the two men will discuss. "There's no specific agenda," Trump's national security advisor, H.R. McMaster, told reporters. "It's really going to be whatever the president wants to talk about."

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/07/2017 08:30

Dan Friedman @dfriedman33
A senior administration official just admits this?
t.co/o7jpRs0ap3?amp=1

The one where Trump just can't stop being Trump
BiglyBadgers · 06/07/2017 09:10

So, have so many adults in the room that Trump can't bloop, unlike his May meeting with the two Russian officials!

Surely this just means more people to hear him bloop. Or are they all prepped to rugby tackle him to the ground anytime he starts to mention something he shouldn't. Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/07/2017 09:48

Julie Davis @juliehdavis
Trump begins Warsaw newser noting Polish Americans "came out in droves, they voted in the last election & I was v happy with that result"