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To ask people to PLEASE not picket hospitals?

405 replies

SerfTerf · 29/06/2017 21:56

Or consider any kind of direct action against a hospital because of decisions concerning any individual patient.

It's irresponsible.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/07/2017 15:57

I think you're right, serf ... it's just that, even if you don't personally agree with a particular view, it's usually possible to at least see where someone's coming from

In this case, however, it's as if all common sense has departed Sad

MusicForTheJiltedGeneration · 03/07/2017 16:01

I think The Donald is just trying to outdo The Pope.

nina2b · 03/07/2017 16:02

Attacking a hospital in this way is despicable. Great Ormond Street Hospital has a fairly high profile, and a positive reputation, which is going to be hard to attack. Maybe those people are trying to "bring it down", in some way, but the majority will just dismiss the bawling ignorance of that loud minority.

These people are wrong and wrong also in their behaviour. Charlie's situation is very sad but to make it all even worse these awful hangers on are clamouring for their 5 minutes of rather dubious "fame". They should be ashamed.

MusicForTheJiltedGeneration · 03/07/2017 16:05

Confused From the Barmy Army page:

"I don't have twitter is there anything we can do? Can his offer over ride the courts and GOSH decision? Or if theresa may was to back us could could she over ride the 2?xx"

MusicForTheJiltedGeneration · 03/07/2017 16:09

The family are very much involved in that page. First the Aunt (Laura) posting on there and now Charlie's Mum.

Connie Yates shared a link.
51 mins

twitter.com/realDonaldTru…/status/881875263700783104 💙 #charliegard #donaldtrump #trump #USA #president #savecharlie #charliesfight #releasecharliegard #parentalrights #pope #popefrancis 💙 if he's still fighting, we're still fighting!!! Xxx

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/07/2017 16:14

Connie Yates shared a link

What, you mean recently? (Forgive me, but I don't go on Twatter and don't understand the shorthand)

Without wanting to sound unkind I think that's very disappointing if so; I'd have hoped they were treasuring the time they have left with their little lad rather than stoking up the hysteria on social media Sad

RaspberryBeretHoopla · 03/07/2017 16:15

Holy mother of god and all that is sane, how dare Trump fucking comment on this. That man is a true bastard. The same laws apply in the USA. Insurance companies don't want to pay to keep suffering children alive and prolong their pain either. FFS. Trump has zero sense of international diplomacy.

Probably hundreds of Babies dying in the USA due to inadequate health care. The USA has the highest maternal death rate in the developed world. how about you fucking deal with your own problems Trump before even thinking about sticking your fucking orange nose into ours. Angry

HeyRoly · 03/07/2017 16:17

I've felt for a while that the parents have crossed a line, from deep denial to knowingly antagonistic. Either way, it's such a waste of their time and energy.

MusicForTheJiltedGeneration · 03/07/2017 16:19

What, you mean recently? (Forgive me, but I don't go on Twatter and don't understand the shorthand)

Connie posted that on the Charlie's Army page about an hour ago.

The Aunt (Laura) also posted an hour ago denying claims that she'd talked to members of the public about Charlie.

Can't they see the sort of loons they are encouraging on that page? Sad

BreakWindandFire · 03/07/2017 16:20

Why the hell would Trump want to offer medical assistance? He's currently trying to take it away from 22 million of his own citizens!

Pop24 · 03/07/2017 16:22

The parents and the supporters problem is they reject science base facts so actually it doesn't surprise me one bit that the pope and Trump are willing to show support to them. This has turned into the most unbelievable fiasco when at the heart of it there are two deeply disturbed parents and most importantly a little boy who is dying and most probably in pain and I can't believe the family fan the flames in this way. very very Sad.

RaspberryBeretHoopla · 03/07/2017 16:23

Exactly breakwind
He is using it as an example of "socialised medicine fail"

And also appealing to the life-at-any-cost brigade. Aka anti-abortion, pro-creation, yada yada

He doesn't actually give a shit about this kid, he doesn't give a shit about anyone it himself.

TalkinPeece · 03/07/2017 16:30

US medical system pays for a transplant but not the anti rejection drugs
Trump and the American Way can stick it IMHO

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/07/2017 16:36

... at the heart of it there are two deeply disturbed parents and most importantly a little boy who is dying and most probably in pain and I can't believe the family fan the flames in this way. very very Sad

Indeed Hmm

Pop24 · 03/07/2017 16:42

and why the hell is this being used as an example to critique socialism? What does America think the UK is a communist state and our NHS just takes a disliking to some people and orders their deaths and fakes records? I had to admire the U.S. Docs honesty in the case in admitting that he would perform the treatment in the U.S. If the parents could pay even though he knew it would be of no benefit. That's the U.S. System and it's purely for one thing-profit. How anyone can convince themselves otherwise I don't understand.

WannaBe · 03/07/2017 16:42

""I don't have twitter is there anything we can do? Can his offer over ride the courts and GOSH decision? Or if theresa may was to back us could could she over ride the 2?xx"" the thing is, I've seen similar posts on MN with regard to varying issues. Not necessarily this one but it's not uncommon for someone to write similar with regard to a news event on a MN thread and for a load of other loons to pile in and agree that "the power of MN could really make a difference here," so perhaps it's worth people considering just how stupid that kind of quote sounds when they're quoting the power of MN as opposed to some bonkers FB page attempting to whip up a frenzy.

Any kind of criticism of the family is widely frowned on anywhere because of what they are going through, however I think that it is possible to empathise with the loss that they are suffering while at the same time echoing that them posting on twitter/being involved in whipping up this frenzy is really ill-advised and will show them in the worst possible light at a time when what they need to be doing is concentrating on what they're going through internally.

Regardless of personal feeling, it's really not ok to be involved in whipping up a frenzy against a hospital which is responsible for the lives of multiple children, not just theirs, and therefore putting parents and other children in a very difficult and uncomfortable position not to mention the staff.

SerfTerf · 03/07/2017 16:57

Thinking social media campaigns can influence things is one thing.

Not knowing whether or not the POTUS has power to overturn a U.K. court decision or not is something else.

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SerfTerf · 03/07/2017 16:59

and why the hell is this being used as an example to critique socialism? What does America think the UK is a communist state and our NHS just takes a disliking to some people and orders their deaths and fakes records? I

So called "socialised medicine" such as Canada's system and our NHS is a particular hot button issue in the US.

Michael Moore made a really good film about it. I can't remember the title, someone hing like "Sicko", I think.

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user1495025590 · 03/07/2017 17:00

Typical xenophobia. Nobody qiestionong tje hive mind that states gosh consultants knowo better than those Johnny foreigner american medics

straighttalker · 03/07/2017 17:04

user1495025590

Don't be so fucking ridiculous.

SerfTerf · 03/07/2017 17:06

Don't be silly @user1495025590

There is no specialist anywhere claiming to be able to offer an effective treatment to poor Charlie. The US doctor testified in the High Court that he'd been unaware of the severity of Charlie's condition when he initially mad his offer.

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TalkinPeece · 03/07/2017 17:11

user1495025590
Charlie is untreatable.
Every cell in his body is dying.
His diaphragm stopped working a while back - hence why the ventilator is so totally essential.
The sooner he is freed from whatever pain he can feel, the better.

DailyMailReadersAreThick · 03/07/2017 17:14

cathf You weren't "rounded on" for disagreeing with the "mob" but for saying the Grenfell residents could have stopped the spread of the fire by keeping fire doors closed, even though it came in through the window. Stop with the disingenuous posts, please.

TheHodgeoftheHedge · 03/07/2017 17:24

Trump has got involved. Just in case this couldn't get any messier or ridiculous. FFS

SomewhatNewToThis · 03/07/2017 17:26

I can't imagine what his parents are going through. No matter how much you disagree with their decisions- and I do, very much- it is obvious it cannot be easy for them.

An issue I have with the people in Charlie's Army and that those on my Facebook do not seem to actually KNOW anything about his diagnosis or condition.

I've seen comments such as, "he'd look distressed if he were in pain," and "if he can't see, why are his eyes open?"

Plain ignorance is meaning that people are supporting something they do not understand. The poor child cannot see, hear or breathe. As a post above says, "every cell in his body is dying."

He's not some little boy with cancer who can be treated with some pioneering medication. Nor can he be compared to other children who have "miraculously recovered."

The fact is he is dying, only existing right now due to his life support. People are campaigning for treatment like life saving drugs are being withheld- this is not true. It appears nothing can be done for poor Charlie.

And if nothing can be done for him, then surely the right decision is to let him go peacefully?

I also do not like the whole #parentalrights hashtag. I like to believe I could always make the best decisions regarding my child, but the fact is that in emotional, heart breaking situations parents cannot always choose the right thing. He is their child, yes. But what about Charlie's rights? He is their child, but still a person. Which is why a court ruling and higher power is needed if his parents cannot make decisions objectively anymore. (But who can blame them anyway? Their child is dying and they are obviously distraught.)

As for GOSH, they have done nothing wrong. So many children benefit from them and I really hope nothing subtracts from the support they receive. Other children will need their help long after Charlie and I'd hate it if other children lost out due to lack of funding through the disgusting comments people are making.

"I hope GOSH fall down"

One comment I saw. I couldn't believe it. A person really wishes the end of GOSH when they save so many lives?

It breaks my heart.

And again, I do not agree with blaming Charlie's parents. I feel strongly he should be allowed to die with dignity, but blaming his parents is not right. I have endless sympathy for them.

I'm sorry this is long. I just feel very strongly about the whole situation. I really hope it is resolved soon and a media blackout would be brilliant. I also hope that all conversation surrounding Charlie remains respectful and genuine. The parents are real people after all.

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