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AIBU to think the word 'queer'...

89 replies

Nik2015 · 29/06/2017 19:32

...isn't acceptable?

There's a channel 4 programme called 'raised by queers'.

Surely this isn't an acceptable term????

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PratStick · 29/06/2017 20:11

I thought the q actually stood for 'questioning'

Oh everyone is queer now op. If you're a straight woman and straight as an arrow you can call yourself queer if you once wore a trouser suit.

But even before that it was reclaimed by gay people.

Queer as folk for example

ChildishGambino · 29/06/2017 20:11

Do you remember Queer as Folk? I think that reclaimed the word for the community

PratStick · 29/06/2017 20:13

Cross post with the 'bisexual' that's a romantic with women Grin

Groupie123 · 29/06/2017 20:14

lgbtqia.ucdavis.edu/educated/glossary.html

Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transgender
Queer
Intersex
Asexual

wanderings · 29/06/2017 20:15

Not wanting to derail, but I remember noticing how frequently "queer" was used in totally different context by Enid Blyton (wonders if the modern versions have been updated):

"Your cousins must think you are a queer girl for not wanting your mother to come with you!"

"He's rich, he talks queer, and I think he's mad."

"Tim is behaving queerly!"

Griffintoes · 29/06/2017 20:15

Queer often now has a broader definition than the old 'slur for gay people'. Some people still use it to mean 'gay', but I've only seen it used recently to describe people who are somehow off-straight but don't ascribe to another label.

Groupie123 · 29/06/2017 20:15

@PratStick - aromantic is on the asexual spectrum. It's actually a term to describe sexuality. So you taking the piss is actually offensive.

I'm coming off this thread now. Full of fools

CharlesBakerHarris · 29/06/2017 20:16

Pratstick what a nasty, patronising post.

Asmoto · 29/06/2017 20:16

It seems to be commonly used in academia. I understood it had been long-since reclaimed.

PratStick · 29/06/2017 20:21

Not patronising at all. I think appropriating lgbt culture while not actually getting any of the shit and abuse to make yourself sound a bit more interesting is the shitty thing here.

I've had sex with a woman, I would do it again. I'm not bisexual but a romantic towards women. Im just not in to women and it was a bit of fun. I could get myself a sparkly name for it on the gingerbread spectrum but if you like shagging men you are not asexual.

PratStick · 29/06/2017 20:22

*I am not 'bisexual but aromantic'

Nik2015 · 29/06/2017 20:24

'Do your bloody research'
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TheFallenMadonna · 29/06/2017 20:28

I am truly not be arsey, but what does "bisexual but aromantic to women" mean?

VestalVirgin · 29/06/2017 20:29

I wouldn't use it except in the original meaning of "strange".

Not because it is insulting, but because it has no other meaning, really. Heterosexual couples nowadays call themselves queer because one or both of them are "gender non-conforming", i.e. pretty normal people who don't conform to every gender stereotype there is.

It is just pointless to use it.

I call lesbians lesbian and gays gay, and if I want to talk about both, I can say "homosexual". Problem solved.

VestalVirgin · 29/06/2017 20:31

Oh everyone is queer now op. If you're a straight woman and straight as an arrow you can call yourself queer if you once wore a trouser suit.

That's about it, yes.

PratStick · 29/06/2017 20:33

Thefallen 'aromantic' means you don't have romantic interest. In that poster's case no romantic interest in women. But bisexual.

Oh and apparently he Q can stand for questioning or Queer from everything google gives me. I find that odd for an acronym.

TheFallenMadonna · 29/06/2017 20:36

I'm not sure how that works.

PratStick · 29/06/2017 20:42

how it works is that heterosexual people get to sound more interesting without having to do any of that gay stuff, or risk upsetting their parents.

Heteroflexable is also a term in the queer spectrum. It literally means a straight person who would be open to homosexual sex if they met someone and were interested. Which basically means not a homophobe.

Fauchelevent · 29/06/2017 20:42

Nope I hate it. I am bi. I'm also black and hate the n word.

Sorry but I don't do reclaimed slurs. If you want to call yourself that, it's on you but I do not. Some people, esp in the 80s and 90s but even now, will have had that word be the last word they ever hear before bigots killed them.

I also think a large part of that titling was for shock factor but it's channel 4 so whats new

TiggyD · 29/06/2017 20:43

I think "Questioning" is more American. They also have U for "Undecided", to make the acronym QUILTBAG.

chronicleink · 29/06/2017 20:43

I'm a gay, lesbian, queer and we reclaimed that Queer so I think it's fine for a title of a programme... straight people probably should still be wary of using I though m, in my experience straight people rarely use it in a positive way so it's touchy. I know loads of women and men who prefer queer over bi or gay or lesbian.

PratStick · 29/06/2017 20:45

I'd definitely be on a quiltbag spectrum!

implantsandaDyson · 29/06/2017 20:53

fauchelevent I agree - I have some friends who have reclaimed a sectarian slur as their own. I could cheerfully never hear the word said out loud again and I won't call anyone by it no matter how reclaimed it is.

SummerKelly · 29/06/2017 21:15

I don't like it either (I'm bi) and I'm old enough to remember when it was in frequent use as an insult (my dad used to say it Sad)

Homosexual is not good either - I believe that was the medicalised term used when it was considered a mental disorder.

It was also originally always lesbian and gay too as the original gay liberation movement was much more radical than now and put women first as we generally used to be second. I often see people say gay and lesbian though.

VestalVirgin · 29/06/2017 21:38

Homosexual is not good either - I believe that was the medicalised term used when it was considered a mental disorder.

Possibly, but since there's now also the word heterosexual, which is also used rather frequently, I think it can be considered a neutral description.

Interesting thing that about lesbian being first originally. I didn't know that. (With it now being all about the T, I am surprised that the movement ever really prioritised women)