To ask if you decided not to vaccinate your children

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Do you regret it? Did they catch any of the diseases that they could have been vaccinated for and what was the outcome?

And anyone who did get their children vaccinated - did they catch any of the diseases anyway? And do you regret vaccinating for any reason?

This isn't intended to start a debate for or against vaccination generally as that's been done many times, I'm more just interested in your personal experiences if you'd be willing to share them. Thank you.

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Nice, I don't understand parenting because I am spotting obvious flaws in the argument about risk of death.
There is a minuscule chance that vaccinating my child, according to you, will kill her. It is bloody obvious that anyone who goes on the pavement can be killed by a drunk driver.
I make a risk assessment about both and a) vaccinate my child for her own and the public good and b) let my child go out to buy ice cream because it is good for her to develop her independence.
God, I'm a shit parent.

There is a risk of death from everything including vaccines. I don't have the figure to hand but it is incredibly tiny. We're talking one in a million or something like that - the risk of death from ingesting any ordinary foodstuff (allergy, choking, reaction with another food or medicine, presence of pesticides or other contaminants) is hundreds, possibly thousands of times higher.

I was unvacinated as a child as my mum is one of those slightly loopy hippy types.

Through luck I was never sick, but needed to have all my vaccinations while taking my a-levels as I was going to medical school. It was a bloody nuisance.

Clalpolly There are no flaws in the argument, you were saying there is no risk - when every single health professional says there is a risk of death with vaccination.

You don't seem to understand other parents can make risk assessments to about what risks they expose their children too - that's parenting. That's what every parent should do.

Instead you come on here and say every parent should ignore the risks to their own child for the sake of your adult self.

Who's pointing the finger at children? Not me.

"After the age of one, injury is the most frequent cause of death; over three quarters of deaths due to injury in the age bracket of 10-18 year olds are related to traffic incidents."

From RCPCH:

www.rcpch.ac.uk/sites/default/files/page/Death%20in%20infants,%20children%20and%20young%20people%20in%20the%20UK.pdf

Who said no risk? Not me either.

I'm not sure you are actually reading what is being written Clalpolly. No one has said you are pointing the finger at children.

No one has said anything about pointing fingers. You are claiming, yet again, (as you did with saying that I'd said vaccines were likely to kill a person), something that has not been written.

"Unsupported allegations that vaccines are likely to kill you are irresponsible rubbish."

This. No one has said this. Apart from you. No one has said "vaccines are likely to kill you"; there are risks, and it's every parents decision on which risks they expose their children to.

Not vaccinating your child is not akin to drink driving.

Neither is the choice Autism over Death (as per the disgusting quote upthread if you chose to vaccinate with the MMR triple combo jab.

Petals, how many people have vaccines killed?

You cited a number of sources to back up your assertion that vaccine brought a risk of death and therefore non vaccination to protect one's child from death was reasonable.
I said my daughter is at more risk from a traffic related death and, as a consequence. I should never let her out on her own. And that such a position is ridiculous.

With my eldest, there was a big debate around MMR. My mother scared the bejesus out of me with her views....we didn't get many vaccinations as children as she didn't believe in them.

I tried to talk to GP but they were not helpful. I wanted to research single vaccines, they wouldn't help or recommend reputable places. So I left it.

I did tonnes of research. In summary. Everything carries a risk. The risk of getting the diseases and dying from them were far higher than the risk of vaccine damage in a healthy child.

I finally got DS vaccinated before school, when I realised I was in charge, not my mother.

All kids since vaccinated sooner rather than later. Not just for my children, but for the greater good of society, especially those more vulnerable with underlying conditions that make vaccinations for them impossible or at higher risk of complications.

Like a lot of things, we must have more transparency when we ask or question medicine or vaccinations. We should be allowed to question. It wasn't that long ago, we had mercury in vaccines. And of course, thalidomide was deemed safe

And the easiest way to help people understand is risk levels. So 1 in million is vaccine related injury, or 1 in 100 if you get measles and develop complications (as an example, not real stats).

Very very very grateful that we pop along to the docs to protect our children for free.

122 'death after vaccination' reports in VAERS in 2014. These are reports and haven't necessarily been proven. There's also an issue of under reporting. It's always going to be hard to get accurate figures. It is accepted that vaccination does carry a risk of death (e.g. By anaphylaxis) albeit small.

Deaths in the U.K.? EU? US? World?

VAERS - US

Population of U.K. vs US? Actual substantiated deaths from vaccine?

Without accurate relevant data you are just scare mongering.

Life is full of risk and we make judgements as parents what is best for both our children and society as a whole. I'm sure we all agree on that.
However, there is a risk to immunocompromised people like me if people do not vaccinate for spurious Facebook inspired reasons.

"therefore non vaccination to protect one's child from death was reasonable"

Didn't actually say this. Again. I said it was up to the parent to make a choice where there was a risk of death to a child.

I cited a number of sources that are aware vaccination can result in death in some cases.

"Without accurate relevant data you are just scare mongering" No, actually that is you. We are sharing facts, from accredited scientific and medical bodies that state that vaccines can result in death in some cases. You are the one linking the parents of non-vaccinated children to drunk drivers. You are the one getting hysterical. You are the one scaremongering.

Clalpolly - someone pointed out that there is a risk of death from vaccination. This is a pretty well known fact. As the other person pointed out it is stated on the vaccine insert that you are supposed to read when you consent to vaccination. For some reason you are denying that this risk exists. That is one source is just to show that yes, it does exist. You can check it yourself if you don't believe me.

You don't know people's reasons for not vaccinating/delaying vaccination/selectively vaccinated and tbh you don't seem too interested in hearing them. Let me assure you that anyone I know who has made the difficult decision to deviate from the schedule has not done it for 'Facebook inspired reasons'.

Life is full of risk and we make judgements as parents what is best for both our children and society as a whole. I'm sure we all agree on that.

Glad you finally agree on that. Because what you were saying before is parents should ignore the risks to their child because of immunocompromised people. That is wrong - each parent should be allowed to weigh up the risks and make an informed decision (without you accusing them of behaving like a drunk driver).

Never denied the risk. Said it was minuscule. Compared to the risk of road traffic accidents.
Obviously it suits your purposes to misrepresent what I said but, that's the risk of posting in these threads.

Because it is socially responsible not to do something that can kill people.

You said it yourself Clalpolly. That's exactly how some parents feel when they chose not to vaccinate their child.

"Clalpolly Thu 29-Jun-17 13:39:08
Petal - prove it."

Your response when I said one of the risks was death.

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