To have a small drink whilst pregnant?

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I'm just about 20 weeks now. Baby fine. Lovely little boy.

DH and I going to the pub that sells food this evening. Would I be unreasonable to have 1, just 1, WKD with my food?

DH is extremely against it and starts protesting in full when I even mention drinking alcohol

I tried to take a sip of his Fruity Cider today and there was a lot of "Why would you do that?"

He thinks it's harmful and isn't worth a marginal risk.

I know it's my body but it is his baby too so I think he's entitled to express his feelings.

Surely 1. Something unit is okay with food?

It won't be a regular thing, it's just something I fancy.

I wonder whether the women that do drink and smoke have lost a pregnancy before. I would find it hard to believe they had done and then drank alcohol following that

It's very often some random poster on the internet annoys me, but honestly - fuck off. You are not the first and will not be the last to suffer a miscarriage and to make such a sweeping and incorrect statement is frankly disgusting so

I can only assume that you are one of a number of people in the world who is not intelligent enough to weigh up the pros and cons of life for yourself, and therefore I agree- it's best for you to stick to government guidelines.

For those of us who are able to conduct our own breadth of research, our conclusions may be slightly different to your own.

Gee, how very dare I engage in a discussion on a discussion board

Namechange - I don't water it down because I'm pregnant, that's my drink of choice anyway. I'm just saying it's weak anyway

Frilly - i stand by what I said. I would find it hard to believe someone could have lost a pregnancy or struggled to conceive and then drink alcohol when pregnant.

I haven't seen any posters saying that they see nothing wrong with the odd cigarette. I said that I probably wouldn't judge a woman who had one cigarette every few weeks, to equate it to the one drink every few weeks. I had thought that was rather obvious as it certainly wasn't a subtle point but hey.

Smoking and drinking are very different however.

Namechange, I did. Judge away if you like. I struggled to conceive (PCOS and blocked Fallopian tubes) and lost my first pregnancy at 18 weeks because the foetus had a condition called triploidy which is incompatible with life. That didn't stop me weighing up the risks in my second pregnancy and making decisions that felt right for me (as I said upthread, I had about a glass of wine a week in the second and third trimesters).

I would find it hard to believe someone could have lost a pregnancy or struggled to conceive and then drink alcohol when pregnant.

Waves. The evidence doesn't support a single alcoholic drink occasionally in pregnancy being harmful at all.

I don't believe 1 drink will do any harm. I would have taken a glass of something aw a wedding or Christmas when pregnant. None of my kids were born pickled or with any problems. All big healthy strapping kids! Go for it!

Yes many women miscarry - a huge majority before they realise they're pregnant, alot who are awaiting abortions or going through the process of abortion, and many who are undecided.
I still stand by my own opinion. I would be very surprised if a woman had suffered miscarriages or struggled to conceive and then went on to drink during pregnancy. I don't believe for a second that is the usual behaviour of someone who has struggled to get pregnant.

So those of us that said we'd done exactly that are lying then name?

Thomas - obviously I don't think there would be literally zero that have. But yes, I am surprised and yes I think you're probably in the minority after going through that.

I would find it hard to believe someone could have lost a pregnancy or struggled to conceive and then drink alcohol when pregnant

And yet it is completely true. Mainly because they really have nothing to do with each other, so why on earth would it not be true?

I can't understand why you would bother.

You wouldn't have one cigarette, so why bother with one drink? It's such a short time of your life and really no sacrifice.

Namechange

Why are you ignoring the actual scientific study I linked to? I even helpfully provided C&P paragraphs in case you couldn't be arsed for ease of reference.

After the heart wrenching grief of a previous miscarriage you analyse EVERYTHiNG and wonder 'what if'. Why would you risk it. For a WKD

YOU might have done so, please do not speak for anyone but yourself.

If my dh told me what I could or couldn't consume I would probably be even more likely to have it.

How does he feel about you having a cup of normal tea or non organic food? Has he suggested that you don't use a non stick saucepan - just in case? And definitely steer clear of doing any housework so you don't exert yourself or come into contact with cleaning materials.

Of course you should have a sensible approach to alcohol but to make someone feel guilty over ONE drink is ridiculous.

You wouldn't have one cigarette, so why bother with one drink?.

Because I don't need to binge drink to enjoy alcohol? Often, when not pregnant, I have gone out for a single drink and then gone home. What a silly thing to say.

I wonder whether the women that do drink and smoke have lost a pregnancy before. I would find it hard to believe they had done and then drank alcohol following that.

Waves I had 2 mcs before having my DD. I had an odd glass of wine in my second and third trimester, and was happy with my ability to make an informed choice for me.
I consider women who call other women's bodily autonomy into question to be quite repellant, actually.

After the heart wrenching grief of a previous miscarriage you analyse EVERYTHiNG and wonder 'what if'. Why would you risk it. For a WKD

Because there is NO evidence that one drink causes miscarriage, you are conflating two unrelated things.

Hear hear, Maud.

I find it absolutely bizarre that you think public health guidelines are carefully produced to reflect scientific evidence and not human behaviour and social economics.

This. There's a lot of nonsense on this thread about NHS guidelines being straight translations of the primary clinical and scientific evidence base, without an overlay of behavioural economics. Extraordinary.

Going back to Expecting Better, I find it interesting people are being sneery about an Economist interpreting and presenting medical data (and she gives a really interesting and valid context of her economist background meaning she often has to analyse incomplete or messy 'real life' data and make an interpretive choice. Which is essencially the same with pregnancy medical data, as randomised control trials with pregnant women are obviously ethically dodgy much of the time, and thus a lot of the studies are dealing with similarly 'messy' data, i.e. hard to control for all variables etc)
Do you not think/realise that the NHS guidelines are essencially the same thing? Medical data is interpreted by policy makers (i.e. not necessarily purely medical academics/professionals) and politically/socially expedient outcomes are decided on, alongside the purely clinical indications. The alcohol one, with the recent decision to simplify the guidelines by going for a total ban on drinking, is a clear example of this.

Also, at least Expecting Better actually makes that process visible. The author essencially says "here is the evidence I have accessed, here is how I have applied it to my own decisions." Rather than actually setting guidelines or reccomendations to the reader.

PS I'm currently 27 weeks pregnant and had a white wine spritzer with my dinner. And I've had a previous MC. Come at me bitches.

I wonder whether the women that do drink and smoke have lost a pregnancy before. I would find it hard to believe they had done and then drank alcohol following that.

I've had a still birth and a miscarriage
I'm currently 12 weeks pregnant and had a glass of wine with my lunch today

Your point is what, exactly?