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To wonder why US dramas fetishise workolism?...

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coconuttella · 25/06/2017 15:39

... Grey's Anatomy, West Wing, Suits... I could go on, but all seem to worship at the altar of the all-consuming career.

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Pallisers · 26/06/2017 15:59

I have a question for any Americans : is working part-time a realistic option for parents in order to spend.more time with their childen? Would they still get healthcare? Can people afford to work reduced hours in general?

I think it depends on the job to be honest. The better your job, the more likely you are to have flexible options. I worked 30 hours a week for a good while when my kids were in school, including working from home. If I dropped below 27 hours a week my benefits would have stopped - although I know my employer made exceptions for this for key employees who needed to drop their hours and whom they really wanted to retain.

I was in a well-paid, professional job, and had put in years of performance full time. I knew loads of women at work who did the same - went part time after having children and then maybe ramped up again when they were older. I suspect it might be harder to do this if you worked in our facilities unit or Target etc.

I'm sure that those getting good holidays are more than likely upper management and CEO's the normal folk don't see those kinds of days off.

I agree with this. I remember sitting in a classroom watching the kids perform something and saying to a woman sitting next to me how I sometimes wonder if it was a bit unfair having these things during the work day as it was always the case that a few children (the same ones usually) didn't have someone there. She said "Oh I think you have to prioritise this kind of thing". Well she was a lawyer in the EPA and I was in a similar position - we could both do our work whenever and we both worked with people who would have smiled benignly when we said "will be in a little late Monday - it's a school thing". The kids whose parents weren't there had parents who worked shift work in places that wouldn't/couldn't allow that flexibility.

I was entitled to 6 weeks (unpaid) off after each birth. Luckily I worked for managers who were very understanding and allowed more time and allowed return part time but there was no actual policy in place. I got paid by taking out a short-term disability policy as part of my benefits package. Each of my children were in daycare by age 5 months.

Head of HR told me increasingly people are going part time because of elder care issues, not childrearing.

We are just back from 2 weeks vacation. dh gets a lot (very senior position) and most people at his level actually take their vacation. I once took 3 weeks in a row (that is fairly unheard of though).

Agree also with the 6pm dinner. No one would invite you for dinner here at 8 pm - that seems ridiculously late to everyone. We eat really late for the US (often 7.30 or 8). I called our local hipster restaurant at 8.50 on a Friday night recently and they said "oh we're closing early it is really quiet" But they would have been full of people eating dinner/drinking beer or wine at 5.30. When my kids were younger, if we invited their friends to stay over for dinner, I'd have had to move dinner closer to 5 which seems a really odd time to eat. I used to love one girl whose parents were Spanish - she was happy to eat any time at all.

Pallisers · 26/06/2017 16:01

Anyone I know that has a part time job in the USA has a spouse that has full health coverage for the family.

And most self-employed people I know have a spouse working for the health benefits.

SquinkiesRule · 26/06/2017 16:15

I did part time but my Dh was full time and had the healthcare for the family.
I worked school hours, then ran after school daycare in my home, so I did school run with my charges and my own kids, and worked till 6pm pick up.
I had a few friends who worked for low wages in large companies, some companies were known for not letting low paid workers work more than 30 hours a week, that way they didn't qualify for healthcare through work, saving the company a lot of money.

OlennasWimple · 26/06/2017 16:32

Fewer than a quarter of part time workers in the US have health insurance through their employer, but all are required to have coverage by law, so many will have a spouse who is tied to a job which provides family coverage instead

BeALert · 26/06/2017 18:05

I'm sure that those getting good holidays are more than likely upper management and CEO's the normal folk don't see those kinds of days off.

I guess the 10,000 people I worked with weren't 'normal' then, as they all got 23-33 days off a year.

BeALert · 26/06/2017 18:12

I have a question for any Americans : is working part-time a realistic option for parents in order to spend.more time with their childen? Would they still get healthcare? Can people afford to work reduced hours in general?

Where I worked it was hard to get part-time hours. I did manage to for a while - by threatening to leave. I still got excellent health insurance for myself and my family, but the premium subsidy I received from my employer dropped significantly.

Because the company really hated letting anyone go part time I got to a point where there were no sideways moves available to me so I went self-employed.

I still bought my own insurance but at this point it was through Obamacare. The Obamacare policy available to me was actually cheaper and better quality than the insurance available through my husband's job. That's changed though.

RaspberryBeretHoopla · 26/06/2017 18:12

BeALert that is the exception rather than the rule. The USA is known for limited holiday time. Across the board it is much less than the U.K. There will always be exceptions both ways but the vast majority of people working in the USA will never have 33 days of holidays in one year in their lifetimes.

BeALert · 26/06/2017 18:13

I heard that in general the Americans get fewer days annual leave but once you've worked for a company for 10 years you get a one off sabbatical - maybe 3 weeks(?). Is that true/usual?

A friend of mine just did. It was 2 months, not 3 weeks. I don't think it's usual though...

BeALert · 26/06/2017 18:18

BeALert that is the exception rather than the rule. The USA is known for limited holiday time. Across the board it is much less than the U.K. There will always be exceptions both ways but the vast majority of people working in the USA will never have 33 days of holidays in one year in their lifetimes.

As you can see from my quote, I was responding to someone who said only upper management CEOs and highly qualified people got more than a few days off per year, not saying that this was the rule for everyone.

SenecaFalls · 26/06/2017 18:47

One of my previous employers gave a 4-week sabbatical every five years. Their logic was that it was cheaper to give people extra time to recover from burnout than to re-train new folks. By saving up vacation time, some of which could carry over for a year or two, it was possible to take as much as three months off. Some people timed having their babies to it so they would have extra maternity leave.

Kursk · 27/06/2017 11:37

Paid holiday is a perk not a right over here. So a good company will give a decent amount of time off, and it's something that can be negotiable during interviews.

DH gets 10 days, that goes up a day a year for as long as he is with the company

KickAssAngel · 28/06/2017 21:27

DH has just signed a contract for a job where they can take as much time as they feel they need as long as it's reasonable. They can also work from home. So we can go on a holiday and DH maybe work from wherever we are, if DD and I want to go somewhere together.

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