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AIBU?

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Dh wants to get dsd here, right now!

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FishyCustard · 23/06/2017 19:09

Yes, I know. I'm taking my own life in my hands posting this on 'Aibu' but a decision is being forced on me quite quickly and I need to know if Iabu.

Background: DH and I started going out when dsd was six. Dsd's mum had left DH for another man two years previously.

Fast forward to today, dsd is now 14. We now have dd 4 (who is autistic and was diagnosed last year at 3, she is in the more severe side of the spectrum) and ds who has just turned 1.

My relationship with dsd used to be really good, however around two years after me and then do got together we started to have trouble with Dsd's mum.

This first post would be miles long if I went in to all that, it's going to be long enough as it is. Suffice to say there was conflict (police involved at one point after she assaulted Dh) and that it really affected poor dsd.

We went from being very close to her practically ignoring me these last few years. As we didn't get to see her except during school holidays (her mum moved her very far away) Dh was a bit of a Disney dad, which he admits.

As examples:

If I leave any cosmetics on the bathroom she will empty them all out and refill them with water.

She doesn't tend to eat any of the meals I cook and willl sat she is not hungry (then eat from a Bombay of crap, chocolate and crisps, that comes along with her)

She will not come downstairs until 3pm at least, every day she is here, then has tea and goes back up until I and the dc are upstairs. When she will come down.

Over the last year or so I've stayed upstairs after seven, because I hear he happily chatting to her dad and think she needs that alone time.

She won't pick up after herself, she leaves wads of chewing gum stuck under sofas and tables that I have to find before one of the dc chokes on them. She leaves rubbish where it falls.

She spends every moment, literally from the second she opens her eyes to 4am on her phone.

Anytime I've attempted to talk to her about this she starts crying to her dad or just goes silent and blanks me.

I'm not a monster, I hope I'm not. It's just feels so unfair when I'm trying to teach dd to pick up after herself but can't say a word to dsd.

Anyway, to the heart of the matter.

Dsd's mum has just called DH on the phone, the first time she's spoken to him in four years!

Dsd has been hurting herself, truanting from school (the police have been involved numerous times) and is now being helped by cahms. She says she is being screamed at by dsd.

Also apparently this has come about because of Dad's mums partner (the same om she left Dh for) has attempted suicide. And she has gotten in to a bad crowd at school who all do this sort of thing.

Dh's ex wants him to call dsd and talk to her. It's all a bit of a shock as none of us knew this was going on (Dh has regular skypes with dsd but she never mentioned it)

Dh is, this moment, talking to mil on the phone about going over to get her now. And he has also just said that his ex said that dsd cannot be shouted at or upset in any way or she might commit suicide.

Mil and fil are on their way here to talk with us.

My head is spinning. I'm trying to figure out how to voice my concerns without sounding like an evil witch. I undertand how Dh feels, I love her too, but I have to think of ds and dd too.

I just want to say,

'No, Dh hang in a minute. I know your upset but I feel like you aren't considering everyone else in this family.

I agree dsd needs help but I do not want her living here if it's going to be business as usual.

If she comes she follows the rules of the house, including no devices upstairs, learning to clean up after herself and spending some family time with us.'

Aibu?

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Pengggwn · 23/06/2017 19:32

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chumpchange · 23/06/2017 19:33

As others have said, DSD and her needs need to come first.

But YANBU to not want to have someone in your house who destroys your things (the makeup thing is simply not on), treats you with disrespect and leaves gum on the furniture (WTF?!).

Being a parent/stepparent can be really hard sometimes and I don't blame you for not wanting her in the house OP. Of course though as the adult you need to be the better person and do whatever you can to help her.

happypoobum · 23/06/2017 19:36

Agree with PP, although I can understand your reservations, I think you are being very naive if you think you can keep "your house" in the event of a split. I presume you have some kind of pre nup? That may well not stand up depending on the circumstances........something to think about.

Anyway, crisis averted, but you do need to work on your relationship with DSD.

RainbowsAndUnicorn · 23/06/2017 19:36

I never get when people marry a partner with existing children and don't treat them as their own. You knew she existed but obviously don't see her as part of the family or you wouldn't be talking about divorce.

No wonder she's gone off the rails poor girl.

isadoradancing123 · 23/06/2017 19:36

If she is coming to you she has to obey the rules and boundaries otherwise it definitely won't work. Perhaps her mums partner has good reason to shout at her? Do not let her destroy you

FishyCustard · 23/06/2017 19:36

I saw a solicitor, it's been a while now but it was something about it being a non marital asset because Dh never has or will contribute financially to it. I paid/pay everything.

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MagdalenNoName · 23/06/2017 19:40

I am not sure that if a troubled teenage girl needs safety and boundaries and consistency an abrupt, unplanned change of residence with

a) a Dad who cannot give appropriate boundaries
b) younger children who have very different needs
and
c) a mother to those children/stepmother to her who has not been allowed to 'do' boundaries will really help.

What is needed ideally is for both parents - and grandparents - and relevant professionals to get together and talk together and involve the young person herself in the situation.

Your need to provide a stable environment for your own daughter is not something that can be put on one side either. Both children have needs and both those needs to be taken into account.

In one or two situations my partner had taken in my stepson after conflicts. Sometimes in a short-term way and once for slightly longer. With the longer stay, he admitted afterwards that it had not been thought through or planned enough. There needed to have been better conversations at the beginning. (Things broke down and my stepson went back to his mother.)

monkeywithacowface · 23/06/2017 19:41

I can totally understand not wanting to be part of it all but it goes with the territory of marrying a man with children from a previous relationship. I just couldn't do it myself and take my hats off to those that do but I would never get involved with someone with kids I'm just not the right person to be a stepmum. Would be hugely unfair on any child to have me inflicted on them as a stepmum!

FishyCustard · 23/06/2017 19:42

I love Dh, but it is horrible for me, ds or dd when she comes (she will not speak to any of us at all, has actively tried to hurt dd)

So yes, I realise now that makes me unreasonable. But I would choose divorce over that feeling permanently in a heartbeat.

If it would be different, if I was allowed to treat her the exactly same as I do dd and ds then I could live with that.

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FishyCustard · 23/06/2017 19:44

Pengggwn If true that would slightly annoy me I guess but I could deal with it.

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caffeinestream · 23/06/2017 19:44

I would re-check that advice, OP. I think you might find that your house is counted as a joint asset in a divorce.

Joinourclub · 23/06/2017 19:45

I think maybe it does make sense for her to be with her GPs. There she will get their undivided attemtion. There will be fewer sources of conflict / jealousy. The only problem is that DH might then spend a lot of time over there? Maybe ask her what she wants?

Underthemoonlight · 23/06/2017 19:45

I never get when people marry a partner with existing children and don't treat them as their own. You knew she existed but obviously don't see her as part of the family or you wouldn't be talking about divorce.

No wonder she's gone off the rails poor girl.

Your attitude about his young girl
Is appalling you should never have got with a man who had a child from a previous relationship and went on to have DC with. I bet my life she acts the way she does because of your attitude towards her.

Lexieblue · 23/06/2017 19:46

OP don't be too hard on yourself, if you haven't been allowed input and DH hasn't tried to address this as a family what could you have done differently?

But it will never change unless clear boundaries are put in place in a loving, caring way with all of you involved in that. And pre agreed boundaries need to be consistently kept to; are you ever left in sole charge of her care because of you are you should be allowed to ensure the boundaries stay in place when dad isn't there.

I agree with everything magdalen said.

MadMags · 23/06/2017 19:46

Yes, OP, your attitude about a girl who has hurt or completely ignored your dc in their own home, who has damaged your belongings, and who has treated you poorly is just dreadful.

How dare you stay upstairs out of her way so she can chat openly to her dad?

littlebird7 · 23/06/2017 19:47

I don't think now is the moment to voice concerns. This is a very grave and serious situation that needs immediate family intervention. Given dsd mum hasn't contacted you for so many years this is clearly very serious and not some attention seeking behaviour.

I would forget your rules and regulations and get dsd in a safe place. It will be unimaginable for you all if the worst happens to your dsd. So just put your concerns to one side and focus entirely on what needs to happen.

When the time is right you can work out rules, you time to get to know her. Please don't judge her on her current behaviour she may not mean to be so horrid, she is in a very bad place (just think if it was one of your kids) support your dh, he will be worried sick, you are needed now.

FishyCustard · 23/06/2017 19:48

*I never get when people marry a partner with existing children and don't treat them as their own. You knew she existed but obviously don't see her as part of the family or you wouldn't be talking about divorce.

No wonder she's gone off the rails poor girl*

Rainbows I haven't been allowed to treat her as family. I wouldn't have a problem if I had.

It irks me that in one breath I'm telling dd she needs to pick up her rubbish and guiding her to do so, while watching dsd drop hers and leave the room.

It didn't used to be like this.

I'd play with dsd for hours with her pkaysets or in the garden. She'd run and tell me what she'd done at school (when she went to one nearby and we had 50/50)

She was there the second dd was born and it made me cry when they cuddled. I told her she'd be the best big sister ever.

I've tried to fix it. When it first started getting bad I tried. Everything I tried it suggested we do together seemed to make her hate me more. I tried giving her her space. That didn't work either.

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londonmummy1966 · 23/06/2017 19:49

Reading your update OP it looks to me as if your DH and PILs had anticipated all of these problems which is why they wanted a 4 way conference about this. I think that your MILs offer to have dsd looks like a sensible alternative - that way she has the undivided attention of her grandparents and her dad around the corner. Her home situation sounds pretty toxic so perhaps, for now, she should simply be taken out of that situation to stay with what I am assuming are her loving grandparents - away from her problem friends and her mothers partner. It buys time then for everyone to take a deep breath and have some sensible conversations about her future. Given she is 14 she needs to be partially involved in those.

Lemonnaise · 23/06/2017 19:50

Underthemoonlight

So should OP just continue to let dsd hurt the younger children and ignore the OP? What kind of example is that to the younger kids?

The dsd needs boundaries and OP isn't allowed to give them so her hands are tied.

Rach5l · 23/06/2017 19:50

I think you're flogging a dead horse for now. All you can do is offer her love & support

NannyOggsKnickers · 23/06/2017 19:50

I don't think that YABU for not wanting someone in your house who actively hurts your child.

However, sometimes teens have to be pulled up and dug out of toxic situations to see how bad they are. I would suggest that she is moved to your house and that the first thing that is done is change of schools/ removal of devices and instituting some healthy outdoor activity.

I say this as someone who deals with a lot of troubled teens. An effort- be it a really big one- now could save her. I've seen where this path ends for quite a few troubled teens and it is totally heartbreaking. She needs love, boundaries and re-directing. She is in no way equipped to be making these decisions herself.

ToadsforJustice · 23/06/2017 19:51

I think DSD should stay where she is. She doesn't want to come. You don't want her in the house (and who can blame you). Let her mother sort her out.

littlebird7 · 23/06/2017 19:53

This is a child that has a suicidal mother, is self harming regularly, is involved with the police and is not going to school. A child that is locked in her room 247 and genuinely must be at risk and serious harm and you are worried about tidying up after her? I think that is very least you can do and some, it is your role to embrace her into your life and to make things as easy as you can. It is desperately sad to read your comment about her.