Why is no one talking about this?

[notthebackdoordear]

Manchester terror attack, London terror attack, general election, Grenfell Tower fire... all hotly debated on my FB.

No one I repeat NO ONE NOT OBE PERSON has mentioned Finsbury Park terror attack on my FB.

Is this accepted racism? Do they not care about this because the victims are Muslim? Or, dare I say it, brown?

Can't believe the indifference!!!!

Most people who died at Grenfell were "brown" OP, so how can it be a race thing?

I know about it from news, and shed some tears earlier, her family's words were so dignified and filled with love. You are right, the murder of our young is what we fear the VERY most, yet we are so bombarded with senseless death at the moment it is inevitable our brains will desensitise, to protect us and enable us to carry on our daily lives. It makes us more human, not less that this is happening.

Fucking sucks though...

They're hardly 'normal' or 'of sound mind' are they?

Posted too soon, but I think it's more to do with the fact that nobody died at Finsbury so it's not dominating the media as much. The poor man who died was already being attended to prior to the attack, he wasn't killed by the terrorist.

I also think a lot of what you see on FB depends on your friends list, as I've had lots of friends and colleagues posting about it etc.

My FB doesn't really fill up with loads about terrorism but many put heart Manchester on their profile and the French flag last year for the Bataclan. Something I would say about Finsbury park is that the main coverage I've seen has been about people carrying on as normal and about JC saying how people of all religions should come together against any terrorism. The other 'difference' if you like is that there seems to be some discussion as to whether or not the person that died of a heart attach was as a result of the terror act.

Yep. But I have seen a few posts saying thing like "well, shoe is on the other foot now" and similar. A few expressing happiness. So sickening.
I've said before on here, I just can't believe how many people feel comfortable enough to say these things so publicly now.

Lovestonap I agree, her family's words were so touching but it's so upsetting. She was more than a victim, she was a loving, thoughtful, kind young woman who had so much to offer and already touched so many, she wanted to become a doctor, it sickens and enrages me the perpetrators of this crime and others like it don't see or care about any of that, all they see is a woman/girl through the lens of their violent misogyny.

I think it's been overshadowed by larger attacks. "Only" one person died in Finsbury Park, whereas 22 died in the Manchester attack and 58+ in the Grenfell Tower fire, which is still fresh in people's minds. If this attack had happened a year ago, there might have been a bigger reaction.

Warrior
That is appalling, the Richard Evans post.

That's horrendous Foniks

I heard about the funeral of a 15 year from the Manchester bombing and they talked about what she had done with her young life, of 15 years. It is just so very tragic.

It is important, I think, to remember that there were Muslims and people of all faiths and none (I would imagine) and of all different backgrounds caught up in the recent terror atrocities.

The media have (for once) done a good job of showing the human side and reminding us that the victim's could have been anyone in so many of these attacks.

No one should be using this as a chance to make evil comments, it's just so sad. We have no idea what the future holds but we have a much better chance if we can work together to eradicate the evil that leads to these acts.

This mornings radio 4 programme featured a bishop, an imam and a rabbi talking about working together, it was quite inspiring (they were also talking about people from non-faith groups too, I think).

It is very naive to assume that there won't be a reaction from the 'born and bred, native [white/Christian] population' to the 'born and bred, native [non-white/Muslim] population if some of the latter mow down innocents with an hired van.

The action is atrocious no matter who does it - but only fools would imagine that it's an act that resolves itself through Equality Laws.

Maybe you have a bunch of racist friends OP. Did you post anything about any of the incidents?

None of the 5 came up in my feed as posts from my friends, groups I'm a part of have hotly debated the election, issues around the fire and the Finsbury Park attack.

Facebook is fairly infamous in tech and activist circles for feeding into people's bubbles (i.e. showing only things they think you want to see rather than a representative sample). I purposely like and click on links from news sources that are very much not in keeping with my point of view in order to try and keep some kind of balance.

I don't know that anyone Christian has been involved in this.

I think the imams have started to say that anyone who would do these atrocities is not a real Muslim and if anyone of any faith who claims their faith is their reason is talking bollocks as far as I am concerned.

"...but only fools would imagine that it's an act that resolves itself through Equality Laws."

I don't think equality laws will resolve it but I do think people on the ground can make a difference. Maybe I am naive, I am just clutching at any hope that society can stop this madness.

Shared on another thread
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-40347813
See what the son of one of the people who own the company he hired the van from was saying. Fortunately, he's been arrested.
But it's the fact that in 2017 in the UK people think it's ok to say these things so publicly. We had awful racist times, then it got a bit better, racists had to keep their views to themselves, people were uncomfortable hearing bigots speak, but it's slowly creeping back in, and people can be open in their bigotry once again.
It's just really sad, and extremely worrying.

OP I completely agree with this, the difference is striking and echos the Islamophobia in this country now, if you read the DM comments around Grenfell day 1 absolute uproar and sympathy but day 2 when they found out so many people weren't white their sympathies changed.
@NoLoveofMine is a prime example as this thread is about the difference in reception from the public and how the media reports all forms of terrorism and she keeps banging on about a poor woman, purposefully choosing not to recognise the difference because of her own bias, what happened to that woman was awful but this is about terrorism it's called cognitive dissonance...

user1492728351 you can talk about two things at the same time! Terrorism comes from hate too, just like misogyny.

The outpouring about Grenfell has been genuine, fuck what the Daily Mail says!

I agree OP.

And as expected a bunch of whataboutery and excuses on this thread.

@RainbowJack
That was my point, whenever there's an attack on Muslims it's always justified, and 'whatabout' this woman bla bla bla

@Italiangreyhound I think its fairly justified to talk about the DM as most of the people reading it are Tory voters and we are living in a Tory led country, and we can pretty much blame the Tory's and their cuts for Grenfell too!

user1492728351 I'm not saying you can't talk about the daily mail.

I was utterly shocked to hear that tiles could be made for buildings that were flammable and inflammable and it was legal to use either!

Jack "...whataboutery and excuses on this thread" Not sure what that means, do you think people are saying it is OK for Muslims to be attacked with a vehicle, I've not read that on here. The fact people are talking about other subjects as well is just how 'talking' works!

to be this is getting double the coverage, all the normal coverage you get in a terrorist attack, plus all the people shouting about comparing the coverage of this attack to other attacks, many of whom are comparing tiny little details and searching for anything at all that can be held up as an example of reports of different attacks not being identical, and claiming racism, and in my opinion such an attitude is very destructive, and is driving a completely unnecessary wedge between Muslims and non Muslims and creating issues between the two groups where non existed before.

Anyone who thinks Facebook represents real life is seriously misguided.

I completely agree user1497480444 "...claiming racism, and in my opinion such an attitude is very destructive, and is driving a completely unnecessary wedge between Muslims and non Muslims and creating issues between the two groups where non existed before."

All victims of violence deserve sympathy/empathy, and most of all justice. As far as I am aware there were Muslims in all the attacks recently as victims in the UK and round the world Muslims seem to be caught up in many major terrorism attacks. We all know it is wrong to make a divide between victims, they need to be able to find support together.

I'm in South Wales so lots of people have talked about the attacker being from here

I think it's a combination of grief fatigue and that "only" one person died. For a few people who read trash newspapers it will be racism, I noticed one of them saying "white van man crashes into mosque where radical preachers once preached" I saw it because JK Rowling was calling them out on it on twitter. but the BBC has consistently called it terrorism which it is.

Mentioned a lot by my friends and discussed as to how/why the perpetrator of the crime had been radicalised- or rather that the media in general were not suggesting he had been.