oh dear PMs going to get a lot of hate well deserved.

[hayli]

may couldn't have the decency to visit the victims of Grenfell tower ' due to security threat'
but HM the queen and Prince William were OK to show kindness to those effected.

Karlos with all due respect but surely in the hypothetical scenario where a PM has high functioning autism the public would need to know if for no other reason than to understand why she has problems talking to people and shooing empathy. Can you not see that?

Again for you and your dc. We have asd in the extended family, which is why I asked to begin with.

I'm sorry but I don't need the flowers thanks. i actually find it patronising and offensive that anyone would think that's what required by my situation. I don't feel sorry for myself and I don't wish my son was any different, hard as people here will no doubt find that to believe. What I'm trying to do is encourage better understanding and a more open minded attitude and perhaps I should be handing flowers to those here who are clearly not quite able to make that mental leap.
I'd rather have asd than be ignorant and superficial

Most importantly, I don't expect your ds has been responsible for as much suffering, misery and destitution as TM.

That's the reason that people hate her.

Christina
You are aptly named - wasn't hysteria first labelled as such in the nineteenth century?

I'm sorry but I don't need the flowers thanks. i actually find it patronising and offensive that anyone would think that's what required by my situation. I don't feel sorry for myself and I don't wish my son was any different, hard as people here will no doubt find that to believe. What I'm trying to do is encourage better understanding and a more open minded attitude and perhaps I should be handing flowers to those here who are clearly not quite able to make that mental leap.
I'd rather have asd than be ignorant and superficial

Op you catch more flies with cider than vinegar. It's something you might want to consider when you're encouraging a better understanding and more open mindedness.

Personally Id run a mile from any interaction with you and not look back.

No of course, people in my situation should accept misunderstanding and patronage and be grateful. And we should be ever so nicey nicey when we're trying to persuade the ignorant to open their minds to difference. I do apologise.

Quizqueen corbyn didn't say that about housing though - you are misquoting a misquote in the media.
Express Headline
Corbyn DEMANDS property owned by rich be SEIZED by council to rehome Grenfell residents
What he actually said
The ward where this fire took place is, I think, the poorest ward in the whole country and properties must be found – requisitioned if necessary – to make sure those residents do get rehoused locally.”

She should have been down there & more vocal, shes supposed to be the leader of the country

Karlos, my opinion of your churlish reply to another poster is based on being the mother of 26 year old young man who is profoundly autistic, has Tourette's, frontal lobe epilepsy, paranoia, dellusions, and as a result requires 2-1 round the clock care.

Do you wear a hair shirt by any chance? Perhaps even a belt of thorns?

Not at all. I just find the automatic assumption that pity is needed or welcomed is offensive. Keep your flowers, switch your brain on. It'll be a lot more productive of benefit to the people you claim to be concerned about.

Surely it is irrelevant if she is on the spectrum or not: she has taken a job that requires communicating with people and showing leadership, she can't run away from it now. It would be like my dad, who faints at the sight of blood, insisting that he had to have a job as a surgeon and then walking out mid-operation. Or me taking a job as an ambulance driver though my eyesight isn't good enough to drive a car safely. If you are not prepared to stand up and talk to people in tough situations you should not be an MP, let alone a PM.

Whenever I feel tempted to feel sorry for her, I remember that it was during her time as Home Secretary that my son's classmates remembered that he was the son of an immigrant. It had never seemed to matter before. Those vans came to our local area- and suddenly it mattered. Her main political aim was to get Britain out of the Human Rights laws. People have died from her hateful rhetoric: died from racist or disablist attacks or from suicide after harassment. If she feels a little uncomfortable, then maybe she does need to learn what that is like.

Not at all. I just find the automatic assumption that pity is needed or welcomed is offensive. Keep your flowers, switch your brain on. It'll be a lot more productive of benefit to the people you claim to be concerned about

Thank goodness there are more able people than you who are trying to create awareness and open mindedness. Your approach to it would sour milk.

Oh and I bet you just love being one of the professionally offended. 🙄

Labour MP was only just elected blue so what has that got to do with it?

^ exactly.

Person is unpleasant and doesn't seem to give a shit = asd.

Lazy. Offensive.

Natalia TM could do worse than model your oncologist friend. Thus far, she has not looked one person in the eyes and said the equivalent.

Karlos I am absolutely not saying that outward appearance is all. Nor that your son does not feel empathy. What I am saying is that TM does not display the obvious signs of connecting and engaging, which may mean she lacks the capacity to show (even if she feels) empathy, agree. But how do I know it's that, and not that's she simply a bit of an unfeeling bellend? She doesn't even learn (if she is unable to genuinely express) to look/speak empathically.

Any why should she? Because she's the PM.

Do people really not think that if she had hfa people high up wouldn't have noticed? Do people really think the Tories would have a pm who has autism? I don't think so

1. Maybe they did notice, people with ASD have many strengths
2. Why the hell wouldn't they

Labour MP was only just elected blue so what has that got to do with it?
its a fact

1. Maybe they did notice, people with ASD have many strengths
Of course.

But if we're very broadly stereotyping, human contact might not be one of them. And it is absolutely a requirement of a PM to be able to demonstrate that, natural or learned.

Maid- very broadly stereotyping I would agree, however, what I would disagree with is that it needs to be an absolute necessity for the job.

IloveBanff YES. In fact, it strikes me that TM's behaviour/reaction makes this a political points-losing exercise - her lack of humanity reduces every single fucking aspect of how she approaches and deals with this to a shallow vacuous point of tiny-ness. Some people started off, I think, with the idea that JC, on the other hand, was/is 'scoring political points' with his compassionate approach, going to see residents and hugging them etc. But no. It is not about that, and he has transcended it. It's about being a real person with a heart and a brain. If people view it through the filter of 'points', they're missing the point. It's strange, because it will definitely boost him in political terms, but at the same time, it's nothing at all to do with anything other than decency and respect and humanity.

It' disappointing when people think showing genuine care and humanity as JC does is 'point scoring'.

Did anyone watch this? I think it was on Newsnight last night?

TM interview

The woman. Will. Not. Answer. A. Single. Question.

Not one. It's quite astonishing.

It's like she's taken the David Cameron rule book on 'How to be a slippery PM' to heart and will not deviate from the script. Ever. This shows a lack of empathy, but also an inability to think on her feet, to answer questions not scripted, to actually engage with the person sitting opposite her. She has a list of scripted answers and just runs through them at random, regardless of whether they're vaguely related to the question or not.

I think if you asked her "What day of the week is it?" She would say "This is a terrible tragedy, and we are committed to ...."