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AIBU?

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Once unpopular always unpopular

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Ambeare · 14/06/2017 20:14

AIBU? I think some people will always be popular.

They attract friends easily at school, uni, work, clubs the school gate.

Others including me always hover at the outer edges of any social circle feeling tolerated rather than included.

I don't think there are people who are very popular during one setting and ignored in others.

AIBU?

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WarwickDavisAsPlates · 14/06/2017 20:35

I work with someone I went to school with, she was in the popular group at school but still hasn't gotten out of the "popular schoolgirl" mindset, people at work seem to have no time for it and she is more widely tolerated than popular.

Although obviously this anecdote doesn't apply to everyone.

I suppose it's about how you act in certain situations, I'm probably more popular at work than outside of it because I put on a work persona in my customer facing capacity and am forced to be nicer than I would naturally be in most situations.

AperolOnIce · 14/06/2017 20:38

I think success breeds success. A girl I went to school with was popular, became head girl, did amazingly well at Uni, got a fantastic job in Paris, married a handsome man who just happened to be eye-wateringly rich, had three perfect beautiful children and on it goes. The thing is - she's REALLY nice. There's nothing to dislike about her.
I was always on the edges and mostly still am.

WarwickDavisAsPlates · 14/06/2017 20:41

I suppose what I meant to say was it depends on why you're popular.

If it's because you're a socially confident, nice person people will gravitate towards you in any situation. If you're in the popular clique and people are nice to you out of fear (queen bee type I guess) then it won't always carry through.

Dairymilkmuncher · 14/06/2017 20:46

I didn't have many friends at school, primary or senior school and I did think life would be like that forever but since leaving there I've made friends everywhere, every work place, college, DS's nursery and school.

Some have been sort of passing friends that I'd go for lunch with or an after work drink but also some really good proper friends that would call on me in their hard times and vice versa.

The shitty lonely feeling from school is long gone and to be honest I have no idea why I had such a hard time making and keeping friends when I was younger....

Brighteyes27 · 14/06/2017 21:00

I think it really epends on a few things mainly how your feeling.
I wasn't popular or unpopular at school. I have had some times in my life where I have been more popular than others but was probably happier with my lot, didn't over think things and was more easy going. Now I am more on the periphery but I don't make the effort as I once did, don't socialise as much and am more intolerant and less sociable generally also I have put weight on which I can't seem to shift and feel stressed and tired more often than I don't. So I am probably not as nice to be around then when I was younger and more carefree.
I have a friend who is lovely and exceedingly popular she makes an effort with absolutely everyone she meets and has more friends than anyone else I know. Her diary is always jam packed as everyone wants and enjoys her company.
Incidentally my DD is 12 and popular at her secondary school these days seems to have a different meaning which will probably be much more fleeting. Girls who are popular there seem to be in your face confident, mouthy, give little or no regard for others feelings, are super competitive, boastful, many are promiscuous and will do almost anything to achieve 'popularity'. I am really glad my DD isn't popular and has no desire to be.

Eilasor · 14/06/2017 21:07

I find some people are more affable and approachable than others (DH over me) and make friends easily, but that doesn't mean they're popular; they just know how to make many skin-deep contacts. It's what makes DH so good at his job; he makes and maintains new contacts easily, but he finds making deep connections with people very difficult. Whereas I struggle with meeting new people, but very easily form strong life-long bonds once I've been forced spent enough time with someone.

Italiangreyhound · 15/06/2017 04:58

Ambeare I do not agree with you.

I was very shy at school and had few friends. In my later teens I made a big effort, and continue to do so, to organise activities and join in with conversations etc.

I've had to allow for the fact that I cannot be in on everything and I cannot always include everyone but as much as I can I do try and not leave people out and try and create spaces where people can come together.

This has helped to make me more confident, which I never was at school.

Being dyslexic meant school was a bit of a nightmare for me!

Because I am naturally extrovert (energized by being around people) it is easier than for people who are introvert.

I think what does breed is confidence, confidence breeds more confidence. But there is a trick to confidence, you can (to some extent) control this. It is important to be able accept that sometimes things will not go your way, and to not be too upset by this. To be to some extent self reliant and resilient, which you can encourage and grow.

A small example of confidence is that it is the way you project yourself, but you do need to feel it too! So one may project a confident exterior but if you do not feel it others may spot it. So instead of starting with putting on a good show start from the inside out.

I'm valuable and important, I'm the most important and valuable person in the whole world (to me)! I am good at some things and I can show this by doing what I am good at. So I can make myself look nice and when I do that I usually feel better about myself. I can join in in conversations and play a part. If I feel like I am not welcome I may leave that group, but before I do that I will look for a new group. If there is no obvious group I can create one. I can create a group around going out to the pub, cinema, running club, whatever.

It really is about self belief and being comfortable and happy with oneself. That is very appealing and once you start to really feel this, and display this, others will be drawn to you.

I used to be always apologizing for myself. I would draw attention to the fact I am overweight, I would say sorry if I messed up a shot in tennis, I would dismiss compliments - e.g. Lovely dress, oh this old thing it came from a charity shop 10 years ago!

Then one day I played a sport with a woman who apologized constantly for missing the shot or whatever! My goodness it was exhausting listening to her saying sorry all the time. It totally detracted from the game!

I learnt a valuable lesson that day and I now try and not be all apologetic, I try and speak my mind as kindly as I can and I don;t apologuise for things that are not my fault.

I do not now feel I must join in everything and it's fine for me to sometimes be on the fringes.

So I guess I feel all these are things that can be learnt and actually what makes you popular at school may be things sometimes outside your control! Kids that are popular at school may be because they are attractive (kids, well I have certainly heard girls) are attracted to other girls who are attractive! Maybe having a dad or mum who offers lifts, or opens up their home. Maybe being good at sports, naturally, or able to do funny voices.

As you get older these things do not necessarily make you popular but by this point said children have learnt, 'how to be popular'! They may command it by being confident, expecting it, avoiding people who do not treat them well because they are confident that others will appear who will treat them well.

I do firmly believe we sometimes get what we want but often get what we expect. People treat us as we allow them to treat us, we have more control than we expect. This is not to victim blame, some people are unfortunately victims of other people's cruel or shitty behavior, and it is not their fault. But in normal relations we can alter our world and control some things about us and about life, and confidence, once learnt, is so very useful.

Just my middle of he night, I cannot sleep, whitterings!

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BigYellowJumper · 15/06/2017 05:17

It really depends. A lot is to do with personality. My husband is very easily-approachable, warm, friendly, easy-going etc, so he naturally attracts a lot of people to him. He has always had loads of friends.

I am a naturally spiky sort of person, easily annoyed, bit grumpy, not much tolerance for people, but once you get past that, I am nice (really.) I have never found it easy to make friends.

But as we've got older, we've realised that in the end, we actually have about the same number of 'real' friends. He has a lot of people who he knows, but they only really call him to hang out to drink or whatever. He has one or two close friends who he can talk to or rely on if he has a problem. I don't have that many people who I can just randomly hang out with, and I used to feel bad about that, but I do have a few good friends who have stood by me in difficult times. I used to beat myself up for not having more friends, but now I like it, especially when I see all the drama on social media and stuff.

LedaP · 15/06/2017 05:35

I wasn't popular at school or through my twenties. I always tried to be nice and really worried about what people thought of me.

In my early years of work i came across a few people who were just horrible and they broke what confidence i had.

At around 26 when i worked witg one of these people i got to the point where i didnt care what people thought. I loved my job and like the company and she wasnt going to force me out. I started standing up for myself.

I carries on being nice but stopped taking shit and worried about wether i was doing a good job more than if people liked me.

Weirdly i am quite popular. I kived companies recently and am popular there. With all levels of staff. I now feel confident about being me. If people dont like me, its just tough.

user1497480444 · 15/06/2017 05:37

nice people are liked by people who get to know them.

unpleasant people are disliked by people who get to know them.

Some people are easier to get to know than others.

Neutrogena · 15/06/2017 05:41

Broadly true, but many exceptions to the rule.

WateryTart · 15/06/2017 05:57

It depends what you mean by popular, I think. I've seen people on MN speak sneeringly of "popular girls", as though they are unpleasant.

Truly popular people are those who are interested in people other than themselves, are caring, helpful and fun to be around.

BrexitSucks · 15/06/2017 05:59

"I don't think there are people who are very popular during one setting and ignored in others."

From mouse-ignored to becoming life of the party? okay, I haven't seen that. I never got the impression the edge-of-things kids wanted to become that attractive, though.

mouse-ignored isn't what I'd call "unpopular". It's just quiet.

Unpopular = everybody dislikes them, in my mind.

I thought of 2x15 yr old boys who were very picked-on in primary school & became the bees knees most popular must-be-friends-with-him boys very quickly in secondary. But true, they were never ignored.

SaltyMyDear · 15/06/2017 06:05

Is t a lot of it in your head? I.e you interpreting how people act towards you?

I think the same actions can be interpreted different ways depending on how you feel about yourself.

I think if you look at it objectively you might find you are included not 'tolerated' but because of your own lack of confidence you feel tolerated.

BeeMyBaby · 15/06/2017 06:09

I didn't have many friends at school and wasn't very nice- untrustworthy and self centred. However 15 years later I am fairly popular at work as I am very nice and try to help others as much as I can (however I choose not to have friends outside of work as I don't have time for socialising). My sister also was very unpopular at school but seems to have found her neiche (sp?) in a different country and is much happier. So I think as your personality develops you can become more popular.

Atenco · 15/06/2017 06:17

Nope, I've gone through popular and unpopular more than once in my life. One of my friends was so popular in his youth that he thought he could get away with anything and couldn't cope when people tired of him. He was ostracised for a good two years before he became civilised again.

OvariesBeforeBrovaries · 15/06/2017 06:21

I don't think that's true in all cases. I was bullied in primary school and mostly ignored in secondary school (shy, nerdy girl with "weird" interests like reading). I thought I'd be unpopular forever.

I got to university and it was like an overnight shift. I was popular in uni and now make friends very easily, with all sorts of people - not just my fellow nerdy people Grin I've always been very outgoing and extroverted, I think it was the confidence of going to university that sort of "unlocked" that if you see what I mean, so that I could show it on the outside and be proud of my nerdiness rather than hiding it away Grin

Silverdream · 15/06/2017 06:24

Some people just have something and it's hard to actually pin point.
It's not about how nice you are. I have a friend who is extremely popular. She isn't nicer / kinder than anyone else but what she does have is an aura about her. I think she is fortunate to naturally play out some very subtle social cues that we all have most or some of them but she has them all and has them naturally.
This makes people really warm to her. She isn't the kindest or the most helpful out of my friends and isn't the greatest at keeping in touch with people but people want her friendship and everyone is drawn to her. She is a lovely person but it's like she also has the X factor.
I don't btw but I'm just as nice but I know I haven't got all those tiny social cues just some of them.

KERALA1 · 15/06/2017 06:35

Great post Italian.

I always seem to find a decent friendship group in my current situation (school, work, mum friends) not top of the tree "cool" popular but happy with that!

Dh had a few friends at school (bog standard comp) but we still see loads he made at Cambridge so often it's that you not in right environment with like minded people so you not popular because your face doesn't fit which may seem like "blossoming " when you move on to a place with others like you.

paganmolloy · 15/06/2017 06:52

I think it is more to do with self perception. What is being 'popular'? And why is it deemed to be the yardstick to measure ourselves by?
I would say that being comfortable in yourself and self choices is more important.
I look at my daughter and see so much of myself in her. She is the quiet, nerdy, bookish type. Likes to keep herself well below the radar. But thing is she is comfortable there. What makes her uncomfortable is when folk try to make her more outgoing, and I'm as guilty of this as anyone because 'being popular' is seen as good.
She's very honest and can see right through people and has said that she can't really be bothered with a lot of them. I wouldn't say she was 'popular' because she won't run with the pack (thankfully).
I am fast approaching my 50s. I was pretty similar when I was her age. With adulthood and wisdom, I'm happy in myself and my choices. I have a wide circle of friends and hobbies but I still like to be on my own a lot because sometimes it's just too 'peopley' out there.
I think as long as you smile and are nice to folk then that is all that matters. If you want more from it you have to make it happen. If it doesn't happen then you've not clicked with the right people and that's perfectly ok. We are thrown together in situations where we might have only one thing in common not everything in common so it's important to see a relationship or situation for what it is e.g. just because you have a child doesn't mean you are automatically going to get on with every other parent around. Just because you are at school learning, doesn't mean you will click with everyone there.
And that is perfectly fine.

BigYellowJumper · 15/06/2017 06:54

pagan Totally agree with you.

Popularity is quite over-rated. It is what it is, not something to necessarily aspire to.

I know one woman who is ALWAYS trying to be friends with more and more people, I had to stop hanging out with her because it was always about how many friends she had and all this stuff. It's just not interesting to me to be surrounded by tons of people.

gamerwidow · 15/06/2017 06:55

It also depends on how you measure popular. My sister makes new friends really easily because she's outwardly very confident but she loses them quickly because she's fickle and a bit selfish. I find it hard to talk to new people and it takes me a long time to make friends but once I get them i keep them.
That kind of superficial quick friendship very popular people seem to have isn't usually of real value.

HotelEuphoria · 15/06/2017 07:06

Agree with Kerala, DD was nevertheless very popular at school, sure she had friends but I never thought they were like her, but boring, nice enough but dull. I think this was because she lacked confidence outside the home and was overweight and shy.

Come university, she had blossomed, lost weight, gained confidence as a result and is hugely popular. She has loads of friends and everyone says how pretty and funny she is, and she is also a real die hard party animal. Which she always was but didn't have the friends at school and college that were.

I feel she hasn't changed as a person but has met her true friends in like minded people who never saw the shy, boring, quiet, girl in her.

GrassWillBeGreener · 15/06/2017 07:06

I spent most of my school years sticking out as different, thus never fitting in and in fact it was often made clear to me I wouldn't ever fit in. I was well liked by the time I finished school but still had a very strong sense of not fitting in. It wasn't until I'd been with people at uni that I had more in common with that I mastered some social skills and then realised I was actually a "people person". Nowadays I know I can always get along with people which gives me the confidence to go into any situation with a very different mindset to when I was younger.

I still don't have a lot of close personal friends but that's a different issue.

HotelEuphoria · 15/06/2017 07:07
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