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Airbnb host leaving malicious review because she disapproves of the paper DH reads...

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BinDiesel · 13/06/2017 00:55

NC for this for obvious reasons.

Went to stay at an Airbnb last week. All fine, no problems we were made aware of while we were there. It was a quiet family holiday with children. So no music played, no visitors, no excessive noise or drunkenness etc.

We left a really positive review despite a few niggling concerns like finding a pair of (dirty) boy's underpants left by the previous guests as we thought it was a genuine oversight and didn't want to be petty.

The day after we left we received an absolutely inexplicable review from the owner which basically implied that we had trashed her house and behaved appallingly while staying. She said she would need to do an entire day's cleaning to get her house back in order and that we'd broken all her house rules. In her private feedback she admits that actually we overlooked one dirty pan, left a small ketchup mark on a sheet (which she would have changed anyway) and one or two other minor housekeeping issues. It wasn't ideal, but relatively reasonable after almost a week of three small children. She also said we had broken all her house rules, which included no smoking in the house and no loud music, which we categorically didn't do. She also made some entirely false claims regarding things which we either cleaned thoroughly or never used in the first place being left filthy.

If she'd marked us down a bit for cleaning and left a review accurately reflecting this I would have apologised and accepted it. But instead she's left a malicious and entirely exaggerated review and sent us really unprofessional private feedback which is personally insulting and borderline abusive.

We've contacted Airbnb who've been no help even though they can see from the private feedback that her public review is inaccurate, I've deleted my account with them because they were so useless.

We were absolutely gobsmacked and couldn't understand why she had done this. It just literally came out of nowhere. So, I've done a bit of digging about her today. We knew she was a big Labour supporter, as her house was covered in billboards for them. But I've done some digging today and discovered that she is obsessively opposed to any media which she deems 'right wing', even going as far as buying up all the 'social pornography' (so the Mail, Sun, Express etc) on sale locally and burning them so that she can rescue other people from being polluted by it. She also campaigns to have it banned. And guess what paper DH reads and left in her recycling? Yep. That's right. The Sun.

It's the only possible reason we can think of for her going so psycho on us. She's also probably massively wide of the mark in whatever she thinks that means, as DH is a Marxist Irish Republican. But he also really likes football and thinks The Sun does the best reporting on it by far, so he buys it, reads the back pages and then recycles it away without ever reading the rest.

That's absolutely immaterial anyway, because she simply shouldn't be judging and abusing guests based on what they choose to read anyway unless she is prepared to be upfront about this and specify beforehand that she doesn't want them on her property.

I'm so furious she's got away with this scot free and made money in the process. Given that in her private feedback she basically admits her review isn't accurate WIBU to try to take this further? Would I have any success with a civil claim? I'm tempted just to sign her up for millions of Sun and Daily Mail promotions, but I'd like to do this through the proper channels instead and she'd just use them to get money off the ones she burns.

So WIBU to follow this up? Any suggestions how I might do it?

OP posts:
Oblomov17 · 13/06/2017 06:46

Ketchup on the sheets? Seriously? Sounds vile.

What were the other 'minor points'?

pigeondujour · 13/06/2017 06:47

Yeah I do know what you mean. I think it's a blurred line with airbnb though because sometimes you're basically paying for self-catering holiday accommodation with cleaners etc where it's pretty much fine to treat it as a hotel. Other times you're staying in someone's house (sounds like that was the case here) and you have to behave like you would as a guest in someone's home. That's usually reflected in what you pay compared to what you'd pay for a hotel though so I think if it's one of those, leaving dirty pans and sheets etc isn't on.

Squishedstrawberry4 · 13/06/2017 06:48

It should be irrelevant which paper you read. She should have behaved professionally regardless.

Zoflorabore · 13/06/2017 06:49

I live in Liverpool, most shops have signs in the windows saying " proud not to sell
The Sun, their reporting of the Hillsboro disaster was disgusting.

I can't beeline people still read this rag but if your dh does and the owner was unhappy then she could have contacted you privately
Though it seems unlikely that she is so pissed over dh's paper.

LellyMcKelly · 13/06/2017 06:50

The remark about the paper is pure speculation and extrapolation, and to be honest, YBU. I'm sure she has better things to do than go through her bins to find a reason to write an unfavourable review. You do know that you left the accommodation unclean and untidy, with tomato sauce stains on the bed sheets and a dirty pan. That's why you got a poor review, not because you read The Scum,

BigYellowJumper · 13/06/2017 06:51

pigeon Leaving dirty pans is a bit grim, but if I was hosting an airbnb, I would just sigh and clean it.

If they're renting it out, it is a business. It might also be their home, but if you can't stand someone leaving a bit of a mess, you probably shouldn't try to profit off of your home in that way. Some people are messier than others and the best will in the world is not going to change that.

It's why I could never do airbnb. We thought about doing it when we were away for six month travelling, but who knows what you'd come back to?

BertrandRussell · 13/06/2017 06:54

I bet he buys Playboy for the articles, doesn't he? Grin

ColossalKalamari · 13/06/2017 07:16

I leave a place as I find it...i also wouldn't eat a bacon sarnie in bed if j was staying in someone's house.you sound like you left the place in a mess and I'm not surprised the owner left you a bad review

Oliversmumsarmy · 13/06/2017 07:20

Stayed in an Airbnb a few weeks ago. It was spotless when we arrived. We washed up everything and took the rubbish out when we left

There was an £80 cleaning fee.

Didn't meet the owner as everything was done by key pad

I am very particular about where we stay and looking through the pictures when choosing a place there were a lot of places that looked grotty.

Why can't you get ketchup off sheets? I have never had a problem. Dc eat in their rooms sometimes and I have never had a stain

KERALA1 · 13/06/2017 07:23

Our first and last air bnb was a recently decommissioned old people's home complete with 70s decor, saggy beds and pervasive smell of wee. Both our dds in tears "please don't make us stay here mummy". I didn't leave a review just left the site entirely and stick to proper hotels now.

raindropstea · 13/06/2017 07:34

Forgive me if this has already been asked as I haven't had time to read all the replies, but did you give a deposit? Is she wanting to keep it? Usually AirBNB is on the renter's/guest's side. I have a little bit of experience with this as last year my partner and I stayed in a flat for a month long holiday. The guy seemed fine, but it was very annoying staying at his house as he insisted on coming over once a week to change the sheets (snoop around).

We left the place spotless. He also made us leave that morning at 7 am because he couldn't get off work at 11 which was when we should have been able to checkout. He left a malicious review for us after AirBNB shot down his request to keep the deposit. He was so petty and disgusting. He took a pic of ONE of my stray hairs (from my head, not pubes or something!) laying on a sheet (that needed to be washed anyway! You change sheets when someone leaves)...

I've had another experience where I stayed at an AirBNB B&B and it was a lovely older couple and I'm still in touch with them.

I hope this gets settled. It just sounds like you picked a bad apple unfortunately. :(

ptumbi · 13/06/2017 07:35

I stayed in a Airbnb this weekend (I've stayed in loads, I love'em)

We were requested to remove shoes at the front door, but one look at the carpet, and they stayed firmly on! The stairs hadn't been hoovered in however long, and the 2 cats had pulled and frayed the edges of the stairs.

In the bedroom, the carpet also hadn't been hoovered (not bothered, my home bedroom carpets haven't been hoovered in a week!) and there was black dust oin the window sill. The door didn't have a proper catch, so the cats could get in and were asleep on the bed. (luckily we are not allergic, though it didn't mention cats in the desciption at all) The stripped wood door has a hole in it from where a knot fell out - and it had no lock, and not even a proper catch. We piled our stuff against the door to stop the cats getting in (- and the other residents?)
The bathroom was newly and nicely done, but the free-standing bath was fiull iof cat hairs.
The breakfast was a choice of cereals, (ok), toast (slightly stale bread but ok when toaasted) and old, rancid butter, or marge. A choice of marmelade (mouldy) or jam (smelt funny). Coffee was old and stale too.
Table was covere in cat hairs, so were the chairs. I ate standing up.

There was a £7 'cleaning fee'. Angry

We were asked to squeezy down the shower after use (fair enough) and strip the bed - but not the duvet cover???? Why not the duvet cover? (I did anyway - I wouldn't want someone else sleeping under it....Envy < not envy!)

raindropstea · 13/06/2017 07:38

Our first and last air bnb was a recently decommissioned old people's home complete with 70s decor, saggy beds and pervasive smell of wee. Both our dds in tears "please don't make us stay here mummy". I didn't leave a review just left the site entirely and stick to proper hotels now.

Omg! Kerala how did you pick that place? Did it look different on the site?

I haven't done another AirBNB last year. And although the older couple I mentioned in my post above were lovely, I found it awkward. I was traveling alone and so stayed there by myself. Sometimes the husband was the only one around and I just didn't feel comfortable at all. I'd rather stay in a hotel even though it's less personable. The older couple served a delicious breakfast every morning and it was a homey atmosphere. But still... so awkward... and feels like you shouldn't lounge around late in the day when the homeowners are there (I felt I should be out of the house most of the day). I am undecided as to whether I would ever do AirBNB again.

I've seen some people on the site trying to rent out a tent in their backyard for 30-40 a night! Can you imagine!? Hahaha

Rainbunny · 13/06/2017 07:42

To be honest I wouldn't use Airbnb in the UK again. I'm based in the States and I've used this service many times all over the USA, Canada and Europe with no problems. In fact we've enjoyed excellent experiences. We've used it twice in the UK when we've returned to visit extended family. Never again!

How can I put this delicately? Let's just say that that both times we found the hosts to be unprofessional in that they were overly present and came by without warning to check on us and were visibly anxious about the (non-pristine) condition of their properties. Their behaviour spoiled our quiet enjoyment frankly and we are a boring couple without children who behave respectfully of other people's homes. We have really good reviews on our Airbnb account as guests. Of course this these are purely a personal anecdotal experiences (although friends have reported similar experiences with UK Airbnb hosts) but we really came away with the impression that the UK hosts tended to not really understand what it means to rent out a property and that it's not appropriate to fuss around to the point of interfering with your guest's enjoyment. Both our hosts really had no business being hosts IMO. It give me good context to introduce my American DH to Fawlty Towers though!

KERALA1 · 13/06/2017 07:44

There were only pictures of the garden rain. It was last min booking in busy seaside town in summer with festival so very little choice. It was a new listing so no other reviews. It was the worst place we have ever stayed. And I've travelled in India.

Plus the owner was an oversharung nightmare who in her first breath told us all about her daughters bankrutcy. We were Shock

PacificDogwod · 13/06/2017 07:44

Taking your OP at face value, I understand why you'd be upset.

But what is it you want by 'taking this further'?
A public apology? A review that in your opinion more accurately reflects your stay? Compensation??
What did you think AirBnB could do about it??

I love the idea and the concept of AirBnB, but of course it is open to different people's expectations.

Move on.

And the thing about The Sun?? Come on... Grin

hottotrotsky · 13/06/2017 07:47

A genuine Marxist Republican would never line the pockets of an extreme right winger like Murdoch.

Oliversmumsarmy · 13/06/2017 07:47

If you go by the premise that they photograph the best bits. Garden in the rain was about as good as it gets.

Never book somewhere where you cannot see the interior

BigYellowJumper · 13/06/2017 07:51

I have used airbnb a few times without any problems. I think the pictures usually give you a good indication of what type of place it is. If they are really professional looking, then it is pretty likely that the person runs it more like a business and they won't be popping in constantly. If it's run like a business, it's more likely to be clean too.

I always read all the reviews too. Some people moan about the oddest things, but they generally give you a good indication of what the people who are renting it are like. If someone complained about people being overly-intrusive or something, I definitely wouldn't stay there.

I would never rent where I had to stay with the people who were renting. WAY too uncomfortable.

Generally I do prefer hotels as it's less hassle, less risk of it being minging etc, but sometimes if there's a group of us, it works out a lot cheaper to do airbnb.

SoupDragon · 13/06/2017 07:55

Tomato ketchup doesn't come off unless you deal with the stain right away.
She'll have to throw that sheet out.

That's nonsense. Wash it, leave it in the sun (not The Sun). Job done.

StrangeLookingParasite · 13/06/2017 07:55

Tomato ketchup doesn't come off unless you deal with the stain right away.
She'll have to throw that sheet out. Why didnt you clean the sheet?

What utter rubbish. Just about any stain can be got out, and ketchup isn't even one of the most difficult.

SoupDragon · 13/06/2017 07:57

I find it amusing that people are jumping on the OP for two minor things but ignoring the whole point which was that the owner has lied in her feedback review.

A couple of housekeeping issues is nothing when there is a cleaning fee and bedding would be changed anyway.

raindropstea · 13/06/2017 08:00

I agree, SoupDragon. People seem to be forgetting that this homeowner got PAID for this family to stay there. The housekeeping issues can be easily fixed. If the homeowner charges a cleaning fee (don't know if this has been mentioned), that's what it's for... for the homeowner to deal with. Maybe no suitable supplies were on hand to get the ketchup stain out, but for people to focus on that instead of the bigger picture is daft.

raindropstea · 13/06/2017 08:02

Kerala, that sounds horrid and like a nightmare! I guess there's a reason they didn't post pics of the house in that listing, hey. Who tells a stranger about their daughter's bankruptcy!? Madness. This town wasn't Whitstable, by chance, was it? Lol.

raindropstea · 13/06/2017 08:04

I've noticed in AirBNB reviews that the guests left by travelers often seem overly complimentary... and sometimes to the point of mistruths. I've read blogs about it and some people describe the AirBNB as almost "cult-like" in that people don't dare say a bad word about the homeowner (rarely anyway). Has anyone else noticed this?