AIBU in thinking JC should resign?

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He's made a mockery of the Labour Party and won votes by creating a manifesto that the country could not afford to deliver!!!

Resign JC !!!

The trouble with corp tax is that many countries with higher rates are not very reliant on it to pay for their public spending.

Yet, this with increased IT seemed to be the only new stream in the manifesto. Possible LVT?

So we'd have to be more than just competitive to retain and indeed increase the corporate tax take required.

That's why the manifesto is so odd.

It's proposals are state centric yet it's income stream relied almost solely on private enterprise.

i think from a historical point of view in the last 50 years only one leader of the two main parties have got less seats than him and not resigned kinnock in 1987

Ed Milliband lost 24 seats and JC gained 30. Hardly the same.

He was clever with his campaign, but since the election results he has been acting a bit unhinged, ie; stating he is going to overthrow TM and become PM, and actually thinking that that's possible. His behaviour is currently a bit bizarre.

I cant take anyone seriously who talks as if its obvious the Labour manifesto would ruin the economy. At degree level economics they teach that government spending is one way out of recession & 'austerity' is bad for the economy. Serious experts dont all agree but lots of economics professors back the Labour approach and the UK economy has recovered more slowly than countries that havent had austerity. Slower economic growth makes it harder to reduce the deficit.

There are arguments on both sides but a vote for Labour doesnt mean someone doesnt understand or care about the economy.

I don't think an authentic honourable man who ran a fair campaign in the face of much abuse & criticism should resign when he's improved labour share of seats in parliament!? Do we really want more separation in our society... I hope not.

Those who will be ok will leave

We are top 5%. We wouldn't dream of leaving

moonmin

If dh is planning on leaving he certainly hasnt told me

Wait a minute...

Better hope your employer agrees with you, moomin. Yours might.

Or it might until things start to go a bit pear shaped.

Or until they go a lot pear shaped.

And if they are wrong - the government is left with a massive black hole that the next government has to pay off!

dan

I accept that some firms can up sticks and move abroad

I am sure you accept that some companies can't

Yes but we're talking about small margins, no?

The top 5% is a relatively small band of people, especially at the north end.

The figures have no give. Which doesn't feel realistic to me ( and I'm a natural optimist).

Norland your post of 15.55 is the same one i saw being shared on fb.

Except along the top was a comment about single mums with 3 kids on benefits.

So on there it was being used to demonise single parents.

That's the point. So if we take our tiny sample of 2 high earners on this page of the thread, one says she'll go, one says she won't. So immediately a big chunk of the tax has gone overseas. And the remainer is left not only with the original hike, but with a gap to fill. Suddenly the great socialist ideas don't seem quite so great. Esp when another batch leaves.

We're only talking about @ 300,000 high earners. It's just not that many people who have to relocate.

Ditto companies. Of course they won't all go. Although they will prob outsource where possible. But it doesn't take that many for the balance to tip, and THAT's the worry.

It might not be an individual's choice - but Brexit might not leave them with one!

It's extremely unlikely that most will go, given that corporation tax is higher abroad and that we may not have the free EU movement we have now.

A lot of people voted for Corbyn as a protest vote but did not necessarily want him actually to win.

Why on earth do people insist on coming out with rubbish like this. Why can they not accept that others see things differently to them and that there were loads of reasons (besides 'free sweeties' ) to chose Labour over Conservatives.

Its really really insulting to voters when 'excuses' like this are made.

A lot of people voted for Corbyn as a protest vote but did not necessarily want him actually to win

Well if thats the case then they are incredibly stupid people. What did they think would happen??

Most Labour voters I know were under the delusion they were somehow anti-Brexit.

They may well be anti-brexit. But they need to 'follow the will of the people' so to speak.

I voted remain but have accepted that its happening now. Despite still being rather bitter that the entire leave campaign appeared to be based on lies. Yes some people looked further into things and still wanted to leave, but so many will have been swayed by the promise of money for the NHS and so on. Some of the remain campaign appeared to be scare tactics too though tbf. I do think with something as important as this there should have been no lies told. Though how to police that I don't know...

'I voted remain but have accepted that its happening now. Despite still being rather bitter that the entire leave campaign appeared to be based on lies'
wasthere an emergency budget like Osborne said and that thered be no eu army and the uk would immediately slip into recession dc said he would stay on as prime minister whatever the vote dc saying article 50 would be invoked within days the leave side always when asked clarified what they meant by the 350 million pound figure but im not sure anyone would of changed there mind if they mistakenly thought we paid a net total of 350million pounds when in fact it was a gross total of 350 million pounds and a net of a 161 million.

YABU and believing all the rubbish in the Sun & the Mail.

JC has been unfairly ridiculed and derided in the press from the moment he first became leader of the Labour Party. I thought this Country was about fairness. Clearly not when it came to Mr Corbyn. One of the reason he did so well, (and he did no matter how you may argue it) is that members of the public actually got to see and hear him without the filter of a poisonous press blocking him. He is a good man. I do not believe Michael Gove of Boris Johnson are half as honourable as JC and either of these self serving men may likely be the next Tory leader in the next few months.

Diddums JC.

Bollocks is it "extremely unlikely". I can see why you'd want to believe that, but it really really really really isn't. I hear this from clients and colleagues and friends in the city every single day. You think businesses and banks will hang around if the economy goes into free fall and taxes rise accordingly?

A fair number will go. And given that there are already a LOT of questions about how JC will raise taxes, that's just not a risk I think he can afford to take.

No way Theresa should resign.

1. She decided to call an election for not reason that anyone can fathom
2. Had a majority and lost it as she barely bothered to campaign (thinking she would get a landslide )
3. She has had to make a deal with a fringe party to cling on to power
4. Made herself a laughing stalk in Europe (embarrassing going into brexit talks)
5. Has list the confidence of her own party (that's if she ever had)
6. On a personal level still can't stand her and her leather trousers. She has to GO