AIBU in thinking JC should resign?

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He's made a mockery of the Labour Party and won votes by creating a manifesto that the country could not afford to deliver!!!

Resign JC !!!

He won the biggest vote share increase since 1945 - a landslide Labour victory year. So no, I don't think he should resign.

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Theresa is that you ??

Let me correct myself (tired) - 172 voted against him. Same difference.

If you'd been around in 1966 OP I bet you'd have demanded Alf Ramsey's resignation.

I think a lot more people would have voted Labour if it wasn't for JC. I'm a Tory supporter but I can live with a Labour if it's in the hands of someone trustworthy e.g. Yvette Cooper, Andy Burnham but not JC et al. I am positive if any of the other candidates for Labour leadership had won, Labour would have won the election

MissEliza Fri 09-Jun-17 09:57:06

It's been tried and tested, but New Labour is well and truly finished. Corbyn won more seats than Gordon Brown (2010) and Ed Milliband (2015), and he did it despite hostile media coverage and lack of support from his own MPs.

How can anyone seriously criticise Corbyn's leadership when he has shown incredible resilience in the face of adversity and has completely turned the Labour party around in such a short space of time.

Trickle down economics doesn't work. The flaws of old style capitalism were exposed in 2008 and have never been fixed. Before people equate a more liberal / left-wing politics with communism, why not look towards the Nordic countries for a better example of how we should aim to work and live.

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I also think remaining in opposition is beneficial for the Labour party and Corbyn. The Tories created the Brexit mess, they should be the ones to deal with it, and face the repercussions.

Theresa May can no longer rely on character attacks in PMQs. The PLP will wipe the egg off their faces and will come back into the fold. Corbyn / Labour will be stronger next time around. By that time, even the Tory voters will be sick of the Tories.

Agree with everything LanaKanesLeftNippleTassle has said

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Nobody voted for a Tory/DUP Coalition.

People vote for MPs, Make. No-one votes for coalition and informal agreements but they are always possible which is why they are discussed leading up to an election. A week before, when the polls were very tight, I saw this possibility mentioned in the press.

Jeremy did remarkably well from a very low base. But the low base was partly of his own making. This is an appalling government leading us to disaster led by a cardboard cut out - losing to it given they had such a small majority should not be seen as a triumph IMO.

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I agree

To be honest i hoped that the tories would win but with a reduced majority not reduced enough that they had to go in with another party

Corbyn's party offered free uni tuition and other goodies to persuade younger voters to register and vote for them. Young voters were seduced by the short term promises and clearly gave no thought to the long term i.e. how Labour were going to pay to fulfil all these promises.

I wish he would resign too.

This election was labour's for the taking (although wouldn't have been called in the first place with a decent labour leader)

Corbyn's party offered free uni tuition and other goodies to persuade younger voters to register and vote for them. Young voters were seduced by the short term promises and clearly gave no thought to the long term i.e. how Labour were going to pay to fulfil all these promises.

Well said. They can't look past their own immediate issues... like when it comes to finding a job, having a family, paying taxes for real. The need of a strong economy, good political representation and the means to put promises into actions.
There was a real divide between young people I know based on where they are in life.

Equally you could say that the Tories bribe people with the promise of lower taxes

It doesn't matter to older people if the country goes tits up as they'll be dead by the time it does.

Do you know any young people langennith? Lots of thought was given to how Labour were going to pay for tuition fees - through a proper system of taxation and redistribution, where the wealthy pay their share. That's how socialism works. They can see that their Grandparents, Parents, Aunts, Uncles etc didn't pay for University and have reaped the rewards, so why can't it happen for their generation? As I keep saying, there is loads of money in the UK, it's just squirrelled away into the accounts of a select few. Redistribution via a democratically elected government is the way forward and young people know this.

And that policy primarily benefits the well-paid in their middle years. They should have put the money into early years, sure start, infant classes, support for families with young children generally IMO - that is where you can really address disadvantage. (Not saying the system cannot be tweaked, perhaps a graduate tax, and certainly good support for poor students with current living expenses etc etc). Same principle with the pensions promises - my dm is outraged, says she doesn't want to be treated as vulnerable till she is and then she wants systems that support people who are in need properly, no matter what their age.

Neither progressive IMO, both easy vote winners.

It's hilarious people are saying JC "bribed" people for votes.

Like the Tories don't do the same with big businesses and rich old people.

As most young people who voted will probably be older than 18 or 19...tnink about it. No tuition fees is not actually going to benefit themselves is it? If it was 16 or 17 year olds voting then yes it would. But most 18 to 24 year ilds have FINISHED or are at university if they even went in the first place

Do the math and stop dissing the youth. They are more educated kinder and less bigoted than any other generation

I cannot find any evidence that free tuition fees is redistributive (from rich to poor)

www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2017/05/heres-what-argument-about-tuition-fees-missing - free tuition redistributes from over 40s well off to udner 40s well off according to this, not to the poor

And what has happened in Walesblogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/02/tuition-fees-are-helping-the-disadvantaged-why-doesnt-cameron-say-so/

Tuition fees have not deterred applicants from disadvantaged areasfullfact.org/education/have-governments-tuition-fee-reforms-worked/

More young people from disadvantaged areas are now going to university fullfact.org/bbcqt/2017/May/19

OP are you a Tory supporter?

Well said. They can't look past their own immediate issues... like when it comes to finding a job, having a family, paying taxes for real. The need of a strong economy, good political representation and the means to put promises into actions.
There was a real divide between young people I know based on where they are in life.
The three students in this house are more than capable of looking to the future. In fact it's one of the reasons they voted. The tory policy of fees is in fact quite short termist. Coming out of university being 54,000 in debt, working for a couple of years and then trying to find a mortgage on top of said 54,000 debt is going to be extraordinarily difficult. Hence their voting for Corbyn. Added to this, the training for Doctors, Nurses, Teachers, fewer bursaries and where do we end up. Oh, hang on, with Doctors and Nurses from abroad and people moaning about immigration...

The uk is not in disarray. Nothing has really changed. It's just the media getting excited.

Err... Really? A hung parliament ten days before BREXIT negotiations were due to start. Have you been asleep for the last few days, op?

Was the word 'bride' used in a Tory paper? It's so widely used about Labour I think it must have, it's not an thought many individuals come up with themselves; too commonly used for that.

Why is Labour's manifesto a bride but the Conservative's not?

All that guff about Corbyn being a terroist sympathiser too. May is now getting into bed with politicians responsible for the torture and deaths of many; this is a party who refused to condem children being pipe bombed. That's not even taking into account their overtly religious viewpoints and opinions of women's rights, or should I say the rights of anyone who isn't a white heterosexual male really.