To think that if the SNP backed off we could oust the Tories?

[ConfusedVoter]

Just this really.

I understand the Scots have their agenda and that's fine for them and I'm not having a pop at the Scottish, they've got their reasons.

It just feels like if they weren't there taking the Scottish Labour seats (assuming Scotland will go the same way it did in 2015) then there'd be a better chance we could oust the Tories.

I feel totally powerless that's all and I've been festering on this!

It's not up to the SNP to back off but for Labour to provide a better alternative. (I hate the SNP by the way but if the scots don't who on earth am I to tell them to vote Labour?)

I think the seats would have as good a chance of going LD or Con as they would Labour. Labour's been struggling in Scotland for a good while now.

If Labour had won every Scottish seat in 2015 they would still have lost. Our votes seldom make any difference to the result of General Elections...which is one of the reasons so many of us vote for the SNP.

That's true re them struggling. I'm just trying to blame someone perhaps. It's all so fucked up. I feel like we have no hope!

I second everything that Wonko said. With bells on.

I get you re: feeling hopeless, but look at it the other way: ten or fifteen years ago nobody would ever have thought Labour would have lost so many seats in Scotland. You'd have been laughed at for predicting it. So who's to say what ten or fifteen years from now will look like? Maybe something that sounds totally unrealistic now, but will be totally normal by then.

I'm with Wonko and Ella. Vote Labour in England and snp in Scotland tomorrow if you want to oust the Tories.

I can't stand the SNP. I loathe them but it really is up to labour to provide a better alternative. I'll still vote labour though because Scottish Nationalism is a sickness that has infected Scotland.

Oh give over

Our votes don't really make that much difference. I think there was a study done where Scottish votes were removed from every election from the start of the 70s onwards and it made no difference. (This may not be overly accurate, I can't remember the full details)

I like Corby and most of what he stands for, but Scottish Labour are a complete joke and I just couldn't bring myself to vote for them.

I think if the other parties actually made an effort and took an interest and didn't just try to slate the snp all the time and actually give us an alternative, they would do much better.

A bit hyperbolic there ballerina.

I am voting Labour.

I live in a Tory stronghold so this adds to the frustration!

I don't know anyone (who admits to) voting Tory.

And out come the anti SNP posts, there's a surprise the night before the election. As for Labour I saw one of their party political broadcasts the other night, they mentioned Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP constantly throughout it at the expense of everything else, it was so bad, rather than focus on what they would do if elected, didn't even mention their party until the very end.

Blame the English who vote tory not the Scots whose votes make up a tiny amount compared to England! Scots voted to stay in EU - English voted out... we got dragged along against our will as usual. My vote is as always a strong SNP vote

That's a bit silly Miaow. Cutting off your nose to spite your face. I hope you reconsider.

I am a member of the SNP but I would vote Labour if I thought it would do any good. In most Scottish constituencies right now, however, voting Labour would do nothing but increase the chances of letting a Tory in.

It's not really silly. I don't want to be aligned with a party who are intolerant and undemocratic.

I'm expecting the SNP to lose a few seats. I am voting labour in the hope the SNP candidate is ousted, though he had a big majority last time so it's not likely. But many Scots do not want indyref2.

Bloody political parties, standing up for what they bloody believe in and representing their bloody constituents
If only they'd just all piss off so Jezza's light could truly shine through.

Gloria, you're right that the SNP will lose seats. That will likely be spun as a drop in support for them but - just like the Tory 'surge' in the local elections - it will likely be due to the collapse of Scottish Labour and the very effective strategy of the Tories to position themselves as the party that will defend the union. The SNP's unprecedented success in 2015 was due to the pro union vote being split three ways. Tories have got smarter since then.

In Scotland the SNP isn't the problem, Labour being non viable is, so much so SNP are expected to lose seats but to tories, not labour.

You're not powerless to move, if you think England under a Tory government is so terrible.

I support the Labour manifesto - very impressive - but if you're not up on your Scottish politics you might not see what a shambles Scottish Labour are.

Agree with Wonka, Ella and Duck. A vote for SNP in most constituencies is the only way to beat the Tories.

In any event I don't see why the roughly 45% of us who want Scotland to be an independent country should vote for a party (Scottish Labour) whose entire political message appears to be 'vote for us if you don't want independence'.

If you're looking for someone to blame for the Tories winning the election I'm afraid you can only blame Tory voters.

I understand the Scots have their agenda

Do not be fooled by Ms Sturgeon. She bangs on about how she speaks up for Scotland but she doesn't. Only SNP voters - just around half of the people who voted last time. Lots of us can't stand the sight of the woman and are praying for her to get thoroughly gubbed tomorrow.

You're right though, the SNP have destroyed Labour in Scotland. They're starting to come back now, but have been badly damaged. And the SNP have many of the same policies as Labour anyway.

Do not hope that the SNP will "back off". They have one agenda - independence. They will do ANYTHING they can to get that. They don't care about forming a SNP/Labour coalition, in fact they prefer a Conservative govt in Westminster because it gives them ammunition to bang on about nasty Tories being mean to Scotland. Don't expect her and her crowd to do England/Wales/N Ireland any favours - they are irrelevant to them. It's all about an independent Scotland.