To not want my human rights torn up?

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I thought we weren't going to let them change the way we live?

We need to tackle the Katie Hopkins every bit as much as the Anjem Choundarys to stop extremism.

Exactly. Where do we deport Hopkins and Farage to? Farage was of Huguenot origins, so I suppose he could go back to France.

its always the left who support the rights of the bully
Never been to a fox hunt and see who does the beating up? Not your average leftie, that's for sure.

user1471545174 I'm guessing the YANBUs don't live in major conurbations

Does London count? I was hurt in the IRA bombings as a young teen (and I witness much worse injuries), lived through endless bomb scares etc. I narrowly missed one of the more recent Islamist attacks and on 7/7 my young teen son missed the Aldgate train by minutes - it was most of the day before I found out due to phone failures.

The OP is NBU. The existing laws allow for states of emergency, there is already staggering levels of surveillance and intelligence. What is in short supply is bodies to follow up that intelligence on the ground.

'bobbies on the beat' is not the solution to all crime but community policing joins up intelligence with the community.

The IRA was eventually defeated by a combination of intelligence and infiltrators bringing them to bipartisan talks with government There is no central command to talk to for the current protagonists so the community links and support are even more critical.

Shouting about the HRA is a good way to distract attention from failings.

BTW - those of you wanting people deported - where to? British citizens, often converts to a distorted cult of Islaam. Where are they going to and why would any other country accept them?

'If anyone would care to address some of the reasonable points without resorting to screeching about lefties'

'Screeching'. Do you not see the irony in your post

YANBU. There's a reason nobody in favour of this has yet managed to make a sensible point. Non-terrorists don't need to worry because a human rights crackdown will never impact on us? Wake up and smell the history, you useful idiots.

We need first of all to try enforcing the laws we have, which includes appropriate resources for policing. And consider bringing back control orders, which I appreciate were controversial but had more teeth than what May replaced them with.

Live in a conurbation of about 3 million people, btw.

We have sufficient laws. What is lacking is the resource to enforce them.

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The Paris police referred to London as Londonistsn during the 90s and begged us to take the terrorist threat seriously. Blaire would not listen as his mantra was multicultstidm.

The Rotherham cases happened because lefty social workers called the paedophile abusers boy friends.

People are too scared to call out crimes within the Muslim community such as sharia courts, forced marriage, fgm and the oppression of women and girls.

I agree enough is enough.

Bertrand - did you watch the C4 programme "jihadis next door"?

Try reading a book instead?

Tom Bingham's Rule of Law is a good one to start you out.

/just kidding.

"So why have we seen radicals spouting nonsense while the police have provided traffic control in the past? "

Examples please?

But WalkingOnleg0 lots of people have pointed out that
a) this is dangerous and will not work
b) given all the answers and solutions we need to solve terroism as much as possible, without taking away further rights.

It boils down to funding, and the fact that TM would rather continue to subsidise the booze in the HoC or waste tax money on projects and other things, whilst scrapping the very security that keeps us safe.

Scrapping 20,000 police, and decimating the community policing that was shown to work wasn't the fault of lefty hand wringers, that was all the Tories doing.

So a knee jerk thing like this will cause more damage than it solves.

"Bertrand - did you watch the C4 programme "jihadis next door"?"

I did say downthread that I didn't. But I don't base my views on posh people on Made in Chelsea either.

Oh and this is a man who claimed thousands in benefits (about £30k a year despite being a trained lawyer and about £165k in legal fees for him and his mate) whilst calling for other radicals to go on "jihadi seekers' allowance" to weaken the state and to give them time to plot.

What do you think people like that think of the left? They think you are hilariously soft and they despise you.

Like I said. A happy medium between being able to deal with shitbags like that and everyone else. Because they are dangerous and their influence is spreading far too rapidly.

Blaire would not listen as his mantra was multicultstidm.

And Blair has been gone from office, how long? Remind us who was Home Secretary since 2010 and has had ample time to do something.

YANBU

I believe disbanding human rights has been on the Tories agenda for some time. The irony that someone whose job to prevent terrorism is saying that 'more should be done to prevent terrorism' whilst cutting the very resources that could help reduce and prevent terrorism seems to be lost on many.

I think the shooting deaf of the savages 8 minutes into the attack isn't cutting the very fabric of our security services

They are under pressure because the threats are so huge. Thry need the law to back them up in arresting and detaining these bastards without human rights lawyers jumping in to sue the government of they don't allow them a bloody prayer may.

The Paris police referred to London as Londonistsn during the 90s and begged us to take the terrorist threat seriously. Blaire would not listen as his mantra was multicultstidm.

Do you have some references for this? Paris has had a massive problem with lack of integration and ghettoisation - different to some extent from ours but not better.

The Rotherham cases happened because lefty social workers called the paedophile abusers boy friends.

That has more to do with misogyny - white abusers are also called 'boyfriends' or 'domestics' and the girls not taken seriously. Rotherham says more about about how society views women and their disposability, something which is a problem in all cultures.

They think you are hilariously soft and they despise you.

I couldn't care less.

No maybe I actually don't see the irony, at all, sorry

The "hand wringing lefties" on this thread, have spent pages and pages making lots of reasonable points, hardly any of which have actually been answered or debated properly, and all we get in return is "lefty" this and "symapthizer" that.

I just want someone who disagrees with me to answer my points, without resorting to insults, buut it seems impossible to have a debate.

Hope not Hate are a "lefty" group btw.

Well aware. May termed human rights lawyers as 'liberal lefties' in her speech to the Tory party conference. They aren't either.

It's the label though that is thrown around to discredit somehow.

"Yes the 'laws that are in place' aren't enough."

David Allen Green‏*@davidallengreen*
1. There has been a suggestion that what is needed are new laws against terrorism.
2. Since 2000, there have been many laws about terrorism.
3. Terrorism Act 2000
Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001
Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005
Terrorism Act 2006
4. Counter-Terrorism Act 2008
Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act 2011
Counter-Terrorism and Security Act 2015
5. Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014
Investigatory Powers Act 2016
Among others.
6. There have also been about 100 statutory instruments since 2000 with "Terrorism" in title alone:
www.legislation.gov.uk/secondary?title=Terrorism&page=2
7. Contained in this legislation are some of the widest, most general provisions in the history of criminal and also surveillance law.
8. Without exaggeration: it is difficult to imagine what more laws about terrorism there could be.
9. Since 2000, the UK has averaged a new terrorism statue every two years.
10. So many terrorism statutes since 2000 government has run out of names for them: Terrorism Act, Anti-Terrorism Act, Counter-Terrorism Act
11. It is easy for a politician do demand "tough" new laws, "crack-downs", "enough is enough", "something must be done"...
12. But government, and parliament, is running out of ways of legislating against terrorism. Every possible way seems to have been done.
13. Whatever the best response to terrorism, making yet more laws will not be the solution.
/ends.

But yeah it's the law that's failing. Not the politicians. Not the press. Not the cuts...

Then you should, Bertrand. There's no moral superiority in not watching it. What is said openly is shocking.

We all know most Muslims don't agree with them. Christ, there's plenty of examples on that just on the programme itself. (Including a ridiculous exchange where a ginger former DJ turned extremist tries to tell others that they "aren't even real Muslims, bruv" and they unanimously tell him to get fucked.)

But you'd see for yourself how they chuck human rights around to taunt the police.

Lana, "Care to rebuff any of those points??"

Yes. Because none of those points made any difference to the 3 'martyrs' this weekend. The 3 'martyrs' lived their lives under a different set of laws. Sharia. The 3 'martyrs' dont acknowledge any form of human rights when it applies to infidels or indeed themselves, if they step out of line regards Sharia. Sharia is everything. The 3 'martyrs' this weekend, wouldnt even be bothered voting this week, as our democracy is in utter contradiction of sharia society.

Islam must reform. Whilst Islam continues to create 'martyrs', and a promise of eternal paradise for the acts they are committing, no amount of UK policing, youth education, or social outrage will make the slightest difference.

Rotherham says more about about how society views women and their disposability, something which is a problem in all cultures.

Correct.

And it is a good example of not having enough police on the ground.

Mat not May!

Peregrina - I asked this yesterday but nobody could answer. How do you expect multiculturalism to be undone once it's in the very fabric of the community? Take somewhere like Oldham where the streets are quite clearly segregated in some areas. Do you expect people to swap houses in the alternative to mix up communities and force integration?!

Screeching lefty here

I live and work in Birmingham- fairly big city - I work with asylum seeking children and young people - do you have any idea of the cuts to support services for young people?

These services helped integrate and support people in the U.K. And could keep an eye on them and pick up early signs of grooming by radicals - these have gone

Start by helping people be safe here by addressing those issues not eroding ALL our rights

Theresa May has systematically cut police resources to the bone for almost a decade.

She now blames her abject failure to protect the people on human rights laws.

She has failed and should resign. Hands off the rule of law.