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To not want my human rights torn up?

576 replies

futuristic1 · 07/06/2017 07:19

I thought we weren't going to let them change the way we live?

OP posts:
ShoesHaveSouls · 07/06/2017 07:21

YANBU.

P1nkP0ppy · 07/06/2017 07:24

No one's talking about 'your human rights torn up' for heaven's sake, it's about ensuring that potential terrorists slipping through the net.
If it stops the hideous massacres we've had recently then revisiting and, where appropriate, revisions made then I for one am all for it.
Clearly you think otherwise ☹️

makeourfuture · 07/06/2017 07:25

Horrifying.

Give the police resources, keep our rights!

ghostyslovesheets · 07/06/2017 07:26

YANBU - they have been looking for an excuse to dump human rights law - using the recent attacks is appalling

user1471545174 · 07/06/2017 07:28

They aren't after you, OP. Get a grip.

YouTheCat · 07/06/2017 07:28

People are naive to think that tearing up the human rights laws will only affect terrorists... seriously, seriously naive.

Unless you are a Tory voter and are no longer identifying as human, of course.

llangennith · 07/06/2017 07:29

The potential loss of which particular human right is causing you so much worry?

OohMavis · 07/06/2017 07:30

Clearly you think otherwise ☹️

That's massively out of order. So because someone is hesitant to let the government change human rights laws it makes them in favour of hideous massacres?

HardcoreLadyType · 07/06/2017 07:31

Surely our "way of life" is enshrined in the HRA? If we tear it up, we have already let the terrorists win.

There has been approximately one new anti-terroroism act per year since 2002. We don't need new laws. We need to properly resource the police and other authorities to use the ones we already have.

Still, many people see new laws and think "the government is doing something." It's cheaper to enact new laws than to fund the police, so as far as the conservatives are concerned, it's a no-brainer.

Ceto · 07/06/2017 07:31

If it stops the hideous massacres we've had recently then revisiting and, where appropriate, revisions made then I for one am all for it

But it clearly won't. So we will lose something very valuable, we will be no better off, and the terrorists will chalk it up as a clear victory.

Ktown · 07/06/2017 07:31

I assumed tm was referring to the terrorist who wasn't granted asylum but was allowed to stay because he got married.
He was then violent to his wife.
In those cases a prison sentence followed by deportation would be appropriate.

Fedupoftheheat · 07/06/2017 07:32

you ........ see comments like that want to make me vote conservative. All the slagging off of people who might vote conservative, just makes me want to vote for them.

BertrandRussell · 07/06/2017 07:32

"The potential loss of which particular human right is causing you so much worry?"

The issue is- I don't know. That is rather the point.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot · 07/06/2017 07:32

We'll still be bound by obligations under the UN treaty.

I think they are trying to find a way to make TPIMs more effective, and to do so in a way hat means they don't all get thrown out by the courts (like Labour's illegal control orders)

I should imagine that a fair amount of it will focus on level of safeguards surrounding deporting individuals. Look how long it took to deport Abu Hamza

user1471545174 · 07/06/2017 07:33

They are not seriously, seriously naive! Look how difficult it is to do anything about known terrorists! There's no earthly reason to think anyone in England is going to be interested in your late library returns, ever. We need to do something about these guys though. Hugging isn't working.

hula008 · 07/06/2017 07:33

Right not to be tortured
Right to religious freedom
Right to a fair trial
Respect for privacy
No punishment without law
Freedom of assembly and association

YouTheCat · 07/06/2017 07:33

Not cutting 20,000 police might have stopped the attacks. Especially being as they had intelligence on several of the terrorists but not the resources to back them up.

Could have been prevented.

Now who would do such a stupid thing as to cut all those police officers? Hmm

user1471545174 · 07/06/2017 07:33

That was to YouTheCat.

HardcoreLadyType · 07/06/2017 07:35

They aren't after you, OP. Get a grip.

Do you think the Jews of Germany who fought in the First World War thought the German government would be "after them"?

The ECHR was written by mostly British lawyers to try to ensure that such a thing could not happen in Europe again. And yet, here we are, waltzing away from it, with no lessons learned.

makeourfuture · 07/06/2017 07:35

Go after the criminals Theresa, not the people!

That1950sMum · 07/06/2017 07:35

YANBU.

Sadly the Daily Mail has been peddling nonsense for years about the Human Rights Act and people believe it.

Some people genuinely believe that scrapping human rights will only affect terrorists and that is why Teresa May can get away with talking such crap instead of pledging proper investment in our police.

twelly · 07/06/2017 07:36

These unprecedented acts need actions beyond more police , if we could save one person due to more robust laws then this is a good thing.

user1471545174 · 07/06/2017 07:36

Oh the drama, Hardcore. This isn't Nazi Germany. This is the country that defeated Nazi Germany.

PacificDogwod · 07/06/2017 07:37

YANBU.

V worrying.

What the police/security services need are more resources, not more rights. Current legislation is more than adequate to police criminal and terrorist elements, but the manpower/training/other resources are not.

user98765432101 · 07/06/2017 07:37

YANBU OP. The thought of removing or editing the human rights scares me.
Id rather have more policemen protecting us, being able to thoroughly investigate crimes and individuals of interest, then removing our basic rights.

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