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Lies, my DS and my DH

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JustForThis15 · 05/06/2017 11:35

We have issues with DS1 lying about things. He has trouble understanding right from wrong and lies about things if he thinks he will get into trouble. It seems impossible to fix and we are getting no where with it.
I'm working today and came home just now after a couple of hours of work. My DH is minding the children at home.
My 6 year old comes over to me and says that daddy went away and left them at home with no parents. His car was gone and his baby bother was crying a lot.
His brother is 3.
I laugh and said "thats silly he didn't leave you, did you?" while calling upstairs to DH who is changing beds (Not something I've ever see him do on his own accord before!)
DH says "No, I didn't" in a snorting, kind of astonished he could say such a thing, way.
I asked DS1 why he said that and he repeated DS2 was crying. I asked DS2 why was he crying. Then I asked DH "was DS2 crying earlier?"
DH turned back to the bed and muttered, "I was only 2 minutes". Turns out he did go to the shop (which is far more than 2 minutes away).
We've never left children at home alone. And I'm mad about it. But more than that is I am mad that he lied quite openly in front of DS1 to me.
No wonder DS1 has issues with lying when he is learning from his dad.
I am raging and DH has now said I am overreacting, look at all the cleaning I am doing. I've spent the morning cleaning, the place was a tip and you didn't even bring home any lunch.
FFS. I love the way he has turned this on me.
I am working. The place is not a tip.
AIBU to empathise the seriousness of this and how do I stop my DH from these stupid lies. No wonder DS1 is behaving the way he does.
How can I help DH to gain some morals and cop on?

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nachogazpacho · 05/06/2017 15:42

Are the other things your ds has 'lied' about anything to do with his dad? It's just it must have taken him courage to tell on his dad and it all sounds a bit weird. Why was the little one crying?

ChildishGambino · 05/06/2017 15:53

No chance would I leave him with them if he doesn't understand how irresponsible this is. If he was your Nanny, you'd sack him.

evensmilingmakesmyfacehurt · 05/06/2017 16:06

What an absolute knob he is.

As a pp has said, what would have happened if you had left the children with a childminder / babysitter who had consequently left the children on their own? I'm pretty sure there would be talk of reading the riot act etc.. so he should expect the same to happen to him.

I would be calling to speak to SS about the incident so there is a record of this when you are sorting out access to the children (via a contact centre) as he obviously isn't capable of looking after or thinking about anyone but himself.

lottiegarbanzo · 05/06/2017 16:10

Yes, makes sense. I think a lot of people have ideas of equality, individuality, partnership and so on but deep-down attitudes based in their family experience, that they revert to when they become parents. So it's not always obvious in young adults, who may be trying on different ideas but when parenthood arrives, those conscious ideas collide with their underlying attitudes and a powerful notion of 'what it is to be a mother', based on their Mum and Dad, bursts through and is imposed upon their wife / partner, even unconsciously.

Of course some people are quite consistently brazen about this sort of attitude. With others, I think it takes them by surprise and they often deny they're acting upon it, as they hold their conscious ideas and associated 'good, enlightened person' identity dear.

Jux · 05/06/2017 16:11

He does need some sort of intervention, he can't seem to help himself so he lies even when he's coming clean to you.

Is he reading this thread? If he is, then mate, you really do need to find a counsellor or similar therapist to help you stop. Go to your gp and tell him you're a compulsive liar that you can't help yourself. If hecessary, write down, get your dw ro check it, and just hand the paper to the doc. That might stop you lyong to him/her when you go.

Seriously, get yourself some sensible help. You're messing with your children's heads and they'll be in and out of therapy all their adult lives because of it, or you could pay for your own therapy now and stop it harming them.

Starlighter · 05/06/2017 16:19

He left a 6yo and 3yo home alone to pop to the shop?! WTAF?! I'd be considering ending the relationship over this. He put the kids in danger! And acts like it's no big deal?! Unbelievable!

The lying thing is so awful too. He made your ds out to be a liar when he wasn't... that kinda stuff messes kid up.

This is so not ok OP. Your poor kids. Sad

mygorgeousmilo · 05/06/2017 16:31

6 and 3 left home alone?! I would go absolutely fucking bananas! The lying is very shit - but the action in itself takes the prize for being totally and utterly unacceptable

IloveBanff · 05/06/2017 16:47

So he even lied about where he got the milk. I wonder how long he was really out for. How long would you estimate it would have taken OP?

ChristmasFluff · 05/06/2017 17:07

Alarm bells should always ring when someone has behaved badly and they are trying to make out they don't understand why you are annoyed and you are over-reacting etc.

If he genuinely hadn't thought he'd done wrong, he wouldn't have lied. So he really did know, and trying to make it your problem is a toxic thing to do.

Yes, he's probably a pathological liar. And no, therapy won't help, because therapy is work, and people like this try to avoid life's difficulties and slink along the line of least resistance at all times - that's why they are liars. It's easy.

You know yourself you can never trust this man with your children again. You can never trust this man. What else is he lying about?

When I split with the ex-abuser, he had a whole other (sordid, sleazebag, disgusting) life I hadn't known about. How do you know your partner isn't exactly the same?

pocketsaviour · 05/06/2017 18:11

Is one of his parents an alcoholic or drug addict? Or have significant mental health issues?

Somewhere he has learned that lying = easy life. He does not see truth as having any intrinsic moral value. It is a common problem in adult children of alcoholics.

fifteenfortytwo · 05/06/2017 19:13

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YouTheCat · 05/06/2017 19:32

I wonder what lie he would have come up with if something had happened to your dc while he was out?

He must have been out for at least 15/20 minutes and a lot can happen in that time.

How can he not see that what he did was very wrong? I wouldn't trust him with a budgie.

Trifleorbust · 05/06/2017 19:41

It is hard to know what to say here because it is really awful for the OP that her DH is such an untrustworthy, idiotic, lying shite. Confused

Leaving two young children alone so he could go and buy a cigar? Does that sound in any way plausible? Why not take them with him?

contrary13 · 05/06/2017 20:00

"Almost as bad as the lying is accusing your DS1 of lying here. The only way your DH could cover his own dishonesty was to make out DS1 is the liar."

I would say that the accusing your son of lying to cover his own dishonesty is worse... far worse, than the lie itself. Your son did the right thing. He told the truth to you about his father having left him and his younger sibling at home alone.

Your husband knew that when he said "oh, don't be daft! Of course I didn't leave them on their own... [son] is lying again!", he would be ensuring that your son was told off, by you, at the very least, for lying.

But he wasn't lying, was he?

"It will destroy all trust the little one has in daddy, because he knows when push comes to shove, daddy will chicken out at all cost."

Yep. This with spades on. My ex (and, again, please... please notice the "ex"!) accused our then 2 year old DS of lying to me. Consequently, now he sees exceedingly little of DS, which is DS' choice. Because that lie to get our son into trouble... didn't stop there. The lies escalated. Like you, I tell the truth at all costs. Because that is how I was raised. It's how I have raised our son. Who still tells the truth - no matter how damaging that truth may be. My ex? Well, he still lies (mutual friends) and, according to ex-MIL, is now having problems (of his own making) with the fact that his younger child is telling horrendous lies at school. I count my lucky stars I'm no longer with him and DS knows that telling the truth is far, far preferable to lying.

And if I were you, OP, I might be asking myself what else he's lying to you about, in front of your son(s) - or not!

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SomethingPhishy · 05/06/2017 20:39

Did he say why he didn't take the children? Is the 6 year old off school poorly or something? Absolutely no justification for it, how he could even have thought it was acceptable is beyond me. Definitely time to reconsider whether this man is capable of parenting.

CouldntMakeThisShitUp · 05/06/2017 21:17

Why not take him down to the cop shop and have them explain it to him?

LadyLoveYourWhat · 05/06/2017 22:01

I second speaking to children's services to get it on record and to ask for advice. They may be able to refer him to some parenting classes?

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