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To think that marking yourself as safe when you're nowhere near is counterproductive and attention seeking?

88 replies

Bricksandbriefcase · 04/06/2017 20:31

I agree there are definitely some circumstances in which it is a positive thing, but I feel this function that Facebook has of allowing people to mark themselves "safe" seems in some way to equate the experience of simply being in Greater London when a terrorist attack happens with the experience of those who are surviving in places which have ongoing mass atrocities (like Aleppo) where the language Facebook uses would be more appropriate.

If you know someone who is one of the 9 million people who live in London but they don't live, work and only occasionally go to the specific place where the attack happens, it is very unlikely they are one of the 7 killed and 50 injured.

I feel that it first of all undermines the attention that the families, people and aid workers who are really suffering as a result of the attack should be getting, by turning the focus to unrelated people, many of whom live up to 10 miles away from the attack. And that secondly it also gives people a false perception of the place and circumstances they live in by them being given the drama of having to declare themselves, or seeing their friends on Facebook declaring themselves "safe" or not.

I grew up in a war zone. Social media didn't exist at the time, so you didn't know if someone had been killed or injured and you never had an accurate idea about what was happening and where. But if it had existed, the state of war was so chronic and people were so hardened to it that you would've been laughed at for marking yourself safe if a bomb had gone off in a village a mile away, let alone a place you never went.

I know that terrorism is the same-level horrific whether it is a one off, ongoing or in any country of the world, but I feel Facebook is yet again warping our perception of ourselves and others by making a terrorist attack another chance for narcissism in a small way.

OP posts:
Bricksandbriefcase · 04/06/2017 20:58

Do people use Facebook as a main means of being in touch with family? If my DC were abroad during a terrorist attack I would expect a call, a text, an email or a message from them to tell me that they were okay, not to have to rely on the Facebook function.

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ocelot41 · 04/06/2017 21:00

Lots of my friends live in SE London and travel through L Bridge or over Vauxhall Bridge every day. I appreciate knowing they are ok

SomewhatIdiosyncratic · 04/06/2017 21:01

I live over 100 miles away and rarely visit London. This year I went to London for a weekend. I was on Westminster Bridge. I stayed in a hotel on Borough High St and ate out just next to the market where this attack occurred.

No one would have reason to think I was in London this weekend so I haven't used this feature, but it's not impossible to be in a place outside your usual range.

Several people I know who also live a substantial distance away have been through/ visiting London in the last 24hours. They have used this feature because "going to London" is quite a broad description. They are unlikely to be in that spot at that time so may want to reassure people they know.

Better to have a feature over-used and people reassured than people worrying needlessly.

Drama lamas can be hidden if they cause irritation.

Bricksandbriefcase · 04/06/2017 21:01

notalotterywinner

I find facebook's binary language and the way Facebook implies there is some kind of information undersupply the most annoying. Then I find people who use the function annoying if they are nowhere near. But of course people who are nearby I absolutely understand.

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LockedOutOfMN · 04/06/2017 21:02

I'm from London but don't live there. All of my immediate family lives in London. This morning I woke up to hundreds of WhatsApps asking about me and my family. Even though I live abroad, I was in Borough Market eating on a Saturday (at lunchtime, not evening) 3 weeks ago. People realise that you could well be visiting London on a Saturday night if you live anywhere in the city or suburbs or even further afield that's easily accessible by train or whatever; it's a massive city with so many reasons to visit at any time of day, week, year. That's why people mark themselves safe.

sundayfeeling · 04/06/2017 21:02

Exactly OP! I can't understand that people use FB as the means of getting in touch with their family. Very strange.

Faithless12 · 04/06/2017 21:04

I haven't used it because as you stated I was miles away. I live in London but happened to not be in London yesterday but my family were not to know that and I tend to be around London Bridge so had a big dilemma around not using it. Instead just text one member of my family telling them I was away. I don't think I'd have been wrong to use it either.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 04/06/2017 21:05

Well of course you'd call your mum! But what about everyone else?

Jezzifishie · 04/06/2017 21:05

Why not Sundayfeeling? Some of my friends and family live abroad - cheaper than texting, and easier than email!

Heatherbell1978 · 04/06/2017 21:07

I know someone who lives in London and regularly drinks in Borough Market; it's where we go whenever I visit her. As soon as I heard the news I immediately thought of her so was relieved to go onto FB and the first thing I saw was that she'd marked herself safe.

TinselTwins · 04/06/2017 21:07

I wouldn't use that feature as I'm more in touch with people off facebook than on, but, if you're from another country or even another part of the country and live anywhere in or around London, people close to you will hear "London" and think "you". Not everyone knows london geography.

OP I think you and others are assuming that people would JUST use facebook to let loved ones know they're okay, they might also send out group texts and ring their mum. its just covering all bases.

Buxtonstill · 04/06/2017 21:08

Friends from outside London, and abroad have no idea of where I was last night. I work in Westminster and live about 4 miles from London Bridge. So after a few text messages I marked myself safe.
To be honest, I would rather someone narrow minded considered me 'attention seeking' rather than let people who care about me have their minds put at rest.
I find it slightly ironic that you chose to draw attention to yourself on a public forum by bitching about others...

Bricksandbriefcase · 04/06/2017 21:08

I am more annoyed at the way Facebook markets this function than the actual people using it.

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Hepzibar · 04/06/2017 21:09

When I woke up this morning I had no idea about what had happened in London. I checked my phone and immediately saw my DD had marked herself as Safe. She lives in central London and without that marker I would have rang or sent a message.

YABU.

MaroonPencil · 04/06/2017 21:09

I use FB as the main method of getting in touch with my family. My mum is on it all the time. We exchange messages, pictures etc everyday. Same with my two sisters. Also I have two aunts, a sister in law, two brothers in law, and six cousins, all of whom are on FB almost every day. If I had been in London they would all have wanted to know I was safe. I could have sent 14 texts, made 14 calls, or I could have posted I was OK.

sadeyedladyofthelowlands63 · 04/06/2017 21:15

I have a lot of friends who live in London and who socialise is that area; I was relieved to see they had marked themselves safe.

sadeyedladyofthelowlands63 · 04/06/2017 21:16

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Puffpaw · 04/06/2017 21:18

What happens if there are multiple attacks? Like 7/7? And you mark yourself as safe in the first attack and are then caught up in a second attack? Isn't that more distressing for family?

TheDowagerCuntess · 04/06/2017 21:19

I couldn't agree with you more, Bricks.

Someone I know in Middlesex marked themselves as safe yesterday and I must admit, I thought Hmm

I haven't really spent a lot of time thinking about it, but your OP basically articulates my thoughts.

My DB on the other hand, is in central London, and we're in touch. No need to use the function.

OrlandaFuriosa · 04/06/2017 21:20

I can see why it's a bit stupid if you live in Greenland but I have a lot of friends who go out on a Saturday nights in London and come back via London Bridge or are there to eat. My son was going to use it to come back by; parents of a mate if his missed the attack by 15 mins.

I don't want to overload phone lines and those who recall 7/7 will also recall that all direct mobile lines were shut down.

It serves a function. I was glad to see my friends and relatives who live in the area were safe, that those who were likely to be socialising in the area were safe too.

LittleMissCrappy · 04/06/2017 21:20

I think yabvu OP. I have family and friends all over the place, from North America to Japan, and it is reassuring for them to know that we are OK. I live in London but not in the centre. They don't know if I might be going out one night, or if my children might be on a school trip to Westminster, or if I might be travelling on the underground at a specific time. I find that feature to be very useful. My parents lIve in Canada, as well as most of my extended family, in different parts of the country, so I can tell them all that we are fine in one easy message.

I think that you have a very deep misunderstanding of what it's like to live in a different country, or to have many friends around the world.

ShotsFired · 04/06/2017 21:27

I have had 4 "experiences" related to the attack.

1 was a US friend who privately messaged me, to check (she doesn't know the geography only that I am not far from London)

2 were friends who checked in because they do live in London and were exactly the type of people who might have been there.

1 was from a friend who checked in and who lives in fucking Guildford. GUILDFORD Hmm attention seeking twat.

NorksAkimbo72 · 04/06/2017 21:27

I am an American living in the UK, so I do use the safe feature because my US friends and family aren't exactly sure where I am in relation to any danger when these incidents occur. It's easier than answering multiple posts asking if we are ok!

BasketOfDeplorables · 04/06/2017 21:27

You don't know if those people have been asked to mark themselves safe. Having lived and worked abroad I have many friends who contacted me yesterday, and others who requested I mark myself safe. I haven't done it, as I was able to message the people instead, but would do it if I felt it would put some people's minds at rest.

eachtigertires · 04/06/2017 21:29

YABU. I find that function reassuring to know my friends and family in London are safe. If others mark they are safe when they aren't in London, oh well. Maybe they have their own reasons. I am in Canada but I have family and friends there and it's nice to know they are ok.