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To think my friends ex is taking advantage of her postnatal depression

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Minionsyou · 30/05/2017 14:26

I'm not sure what to do.

My friend has suffered from postnatal depression since the moment her son was born and despite going to the GP, she has never got out of it. Her son is now just turned 4.

She felt it was partly because she was at home with her son all day every day and so applied for a job in her area of work. She was lucky and got a good job.

Her ex and his family have always wanted custody of the child. No idea why but I think it's partly fuelled by the worry she will move back to live nearer family as she has no support network in the local area. Although she does have some good friends.

My friends ex has asked her to give him their son Monday-Friday and she have him every weekend. This way she doesn't have to pay for childcare or struggle with the demands of a working single mum and their son gets to be looked after by his nana rather than a nursery.

My friend says she wants this arrangement.

My worry is, she is still suffering with postnatal depression and has never fully bonded with her son. She also has no car, little money and no family in the area. She admits herself if she could get a job in her hometown she wouldn't even be considering this as her parents could help with her son.

However she has not been able to get a job back in her hometown and for now needs to stay where she is.

I'm very concerned but I'm not sure if I'm worrying about nothing.

It's clear she needs to work for her own mental health. And she's in desperate need of a break from her son so that she can destress and work on their relationship. But I'm not sure that giving her ex her son during the week is the answer. She is a brilliant mum and her son is a lovely, happy boy who loves her.

Currently her son is in school near her. However her ex is only willing to have him if he moves to a school near him.

Her ex drives and could drive him to and from the school he's in now. He just wants him to be in school in his area so he has a stronger case if she wants their son back. He also could easily move nearer her but is insisting on staying where he is even though he only rents and works out of area.

His parents are suddenly being lovely to her. I think this is to make sure she goes through with it.

Her parents agree with the move as they think her job is demanding and she won't be able to do the job as well as work and her son would be in childcare too much.

I know you're going to say this is none of my business. And if I felt she was truly happy with the decision I wouldn't even be questioning it. I just feel at the moment she is depressed,
Lonely and stressed from looking after a child single handedly for four years. She's desperate for a break and the social interaction of a job. But the decision she is making is huge and in a year once she's been in her job a year, is financially comfortable (it's a decent wage) and has had the childfree break, she might regret th decision.

I really do feel her ex and his family are hugely taking advantage of her vulnerability right now. They could easily offer to help her but offering to have him one night a week, or take him to and from school some days of the week. But they're pushing for Monday-Friday custody.

AIBU to be concerned?

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Minionsyou · 30/05/2017 17:04

I guess you're all right though.

I don't know him that well. If he's a decent guy he won't stop her seeing her son and will hopefully agree to shared custody later on once her situation has improved.

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Wormulonian · 30/05/2017 17:06

If she gets a council house within walking distance of GP's and ex then could she not collect son after work and have some nights with him?

Your friend is putting a lot of faith in the job to sort out her life and problems - it may not. The stress may be too great and the workplace may not be as idyllic and social as she imagines. I think she should get legal advice about all this. Do you think the DP is wanting basically to hand over the son to the grandparents and are they good people? or does Granny just want to play babies again.

Motoko · 30/05/2017 17:06

Her son is 4, so will be in full time school soon.

If she's not the resident parent, she might have trouble getting a 2 bedroom council house near her ex.

On paper, it sounds like a good idea, but if it's taken 4 years to get CM from her ex, it does make me wonder why he thinks he's the best person to be looking after the child. Is he after the money (CB, CTC, CM)?

I can understand your feelings of misgiving OP.

needsahalo · 30/05/2017 17:09

Although she's probably win back custody if it went to court considering she made the decision with PND

No. This wouldn't happen. She needs to understand this would be permanent. It would be very difficult to reverse if the ex didn't agree. Earliest a change might happen would be around 12/13 and it would have to be because the child wanted it.

She wouldn't be entitled to a 2 bed council property, nor would she be able to claim any child related benefits. She would be liable for child maintenance.

None of this is an issue if she understands the long term. Does she?

Minionsyou · 30/05/2017 17:13

He works in a minimum wage job so is after the money to an extent. He wants to be able to work part time.

Her parents think it's for the best though.
So maybe there's things I don't know. I know her parents are very against registered childcare and may have tainted her opinion of it too.

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Minionsyou · 30/05/2017 17:14

She knows about the money side of things.

She has already discuss the council house situation and she is entitled to a two bed council house as she would be giving one up.
So that particular council have a deal where by if you're leaving a two bed council house you're allowed move into one.

She has done her research.
I just have major concerns. My main issue is she is being exploited. If she didn't have PND I would trust she was making the right decision. But she does.

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LedaP · 30/05/2017 17:15

Can you clarify the miney situation.

You say he supported her financially but she went through csa to get maintence payments.

Why did she do that if he was supporting financially and his mum was? Was he not paying enough, so not really supporting her.

Minionsyou · 30/05/2017 17:16

He would pay her bills etc but it wasn't of the same amount csa would ask for and she felt it was controlling as that money should be for her to spend on what she likes.

He earns minimum wage so pays £130 a months.

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Minionsyou · 30/05/2017 17:18

I think she should insist her ex move to her. Her son goes to nursery. Her location is nearer his work and that way she can pop in and see him in the week.

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LedaP · 30/05/2017 17:18

So how much did paying the bills add up to?

FizzyGreenWater · 30/05/2017 17:20

You say his parents are being nice to her now - were they not before?

I think you are right to be wary, especially if her own parents views might be clouding her judgement re childcare.

Minionsyou · 30/05/2017 17:20

I'm not sure. I think he paid about half what he should have in total.

His Mum Bought lots for their son though. So his bed, wardrobe,
Clothes etc.

I don't know their full financial circumstances.

I don't think he's a bad dad. She'd not give him to her ex if she thought he was so I will presume he is a good dad.

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needsahalo · 30/05/2017 17:20

She may get the two bed, what she wouldn't get is the full housing benefit if she were ever out of work. She may not be able to afford the two bed if anything were to happen to her - I'm thinking illness, disability.

Minionsyou · 30/05/2017 17:22

I don't think she's going to keep custody because she wants benefits to fall back on.

That's not the issue.

My issue is she may find herself missing her son and regretting the decision desperately. If she does it won't be money orientated.

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LedaP · 30/05/2017 17:22

So he didnt pay enough.

But has been a good dad and his mother paid gor alot for the kid.

Has it occured to you that she just doesnt want ti be the RP? Plenty of dads are happy with weekends. Why cant she be?

If he moves to her, who will be doing the childcare. Can his parents help if he moves?

Minionsyou · 30/05/2017 17:32

I only meant move within the same city. Not back to her hometown. Where she lives now is 20 mins drive from her house but she does not drive and there is no public transport to the area apart from a train journey that quote out the way from her house.

Her parents could move if they wanted to (own home and retired). She's hoping for this in the long run.

I don't think he's a bad dad. She's never said he is.

You're right.
Maybe she's is happy not having custody. As soon as she got a job she was happy with the idea.

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Northernparent68 · 30/05/2017 18:05

Speaking from personal experience I can assure you having a mother with Pnd is a nightmare. I often wish someone had taken me away from my mother.

AngelicaSchuyler · 30/05/2017 18:18

Jeez op, you sure are making some sweeping generalisations here without really knowing the facts...

Lots of ominous statements about 'consequences' and 'exploitation' and then backtracking that actually you don't know the ex that well, you don't really know about the money stuff and she seems happy with the decision. There are a million unknown factors here that could tip the balance either way.

I agree with others, try not to project your opinion on to her life choices...

honeyroar · 30/05/2017 19:37

So basically both parents think it's a good idea and both sets of grandparents do too, it's just you worrying...

Minionsyou · 30/05/2017 20:06

UPDATE: ive just spoken to her and she's decided against giving the ex custody. She said she realises she was being taken advantage of. Thank goodness for that! I was very worried.
While I know this arrangement works well for some people, the reality is this wasn't a situation where the ex was doing this for control over the child and not for the child's best interests.

I'm please she's made that decision.

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Minionsyou · 30/05/2017 20:07

Turns out while he told her his parents said they thought it was a good idea the truth is the parents thought he would be only picking the child up from school. Not having him overnight!

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inkypinkymalinky · 30/05/2017 20:12

Does she realise she will have to PAY HIM child maintenance?

FizzyGreenWater · 30/05/2017 20:13

Oh good!

OP, does she use Mumsnet? Could you point her in this direction? - might be a support?

Also - childcare. If her parents are influencing her against this, they're really not helping. If she's going to be working full time, she will be able to afford help, and she should really explore this. Can you suggest that she looks into having childcare?

Minionsyou · 30/05/2017 20:20

She will have to use full time childcare. Her parents are very against it but she will have to ignore them. They cannot control her life as she is almost 30.

She does not drive and the job is an hour commute.

She's looking at what options are available.

She's asked ex to have their son three days a week and take him to school on those days. He's refused. He's not willing to help unless he has custody. Which says it all really.

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terrylene · 30/05/2017 20:36

I am sure the DC will be fine in childcare - it is the same for a lot of children these days. Even if your friend thinks she is not bonded, I am sure her DC would be happier having her there every evening and she would probably miss them too. It would be better if the father could further his career too if he is in a minimum wage job, and regular contact - although from your update it looks like he is happy to shoot himself in the foot with regards to time with his child.

My mother was very anti childcare. It is why I gave up my job to look after my children. I am not sure I did the right thing. I have since found that childcare has changed beyond expectations, and that sometimes it is better to go part time and spend being around more when they are teens. There will probably be problems along the way, but that is the same with whatever path you take. They all seem to grow up ok.

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