so an attack is imminent

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AIBU to be a little freaked, living in London?

Haven't read all the thread, but the terrorist attack was in MANCHESTER!

What has London got to do with this?

Why are people (including the OP) getting all 'panicky' when the tragic terrorist attack this week was in Manchester?!

Why is London suddenly being brought into the equation?

I work in London every single day. Was working late tonight and came out into Soho/Charing Cross Road after the threat was moved up and there were police EVERYWHERE. Last time I saw so many was after 7/7. We'll be ok.

But it is scary. It's possible to go in with your head held high and still feel sad and a bit scared.

Meh, it's all crap from the 'ordo ab chao' crowd again. They get their kicks (and lifestyle) from genocde.

We need to stop the killing... we were wrong to start this

Do you not remember that whole 9/11 thing before the wars? We didn't 'start' this cycle. Although if you go back furtheralmost every major country in the world has a hand in this somewhere.

"For the first time in modern history, the political and corporate elite who have ruled the UK for decades are edging dangerously close to being removed by the people. A Labour government under Corbyn would completely jeopardise both their domestic and international plans which have been in full effect since the Thatcher era..... What has happened in Manchester is truly horrific and who's responsible for it will probably remain unclear for many years to come. One thing is for certain though, that this has come at an unbelievably ideal time for those in power and over the next two weeks the media will now be entirely focused on this terrorist attack and not the disastrous Conservative party campaign that was losing support daily. It will be entirely focused on using this attack as further proof of why we need a 'strong and stable' leader and not a man of peace with 'terrorist links'. It will be focused on the need to get behind the party that will take the fight to the Islamic state and not the party who want to reduce military action in the Middle East. It will be used as proof of why we need to invest in nuclear weapons instead of social care. Ultimately it will be used to further divide and conquer society and to try and stop the current progressive left uprising in its tracks. Don't let this tragic loss of innocent life be used as a campaign tool for the people who inflict so much misery on the world. We need to double up our efforts and remind people of exactly why we need a government committed to equality and peace, not warmongering and western imperialism because the lives of people both here and overseas are depending on it more than ever."

Jack Murray

FFS I haven't read the whole thread - won't waste my time, but REALLY, get a grip. ALL OF YOU.

And the current situation is nothing to do with the IRA - but you would think we could apply what we learned through that process- the reduction in the death of innocents, to now. We need to admit
that we aren't always right.

There isn't a parallel here. The only similarity is that both conducted bombing campaigns directed at civilians. I agree neither of the group's sprung up in a vacuum, but trying to apply the lessons of Northern Ireland to ISIS is ridiculous.

The IRA's activities (war or terrorism depending on your point of view) was conducted with the aim of achieving a united Ireland, which whatever you think about it, is something that could be discussed and a negotiated settlement be reached.

What's ISIS's goal? A destruction of western secular society and the establishment of a worldwide caliphate. It isn't something that you can actually conduct a negotiation about.

If the terrorists' goal is a ne

Because London was the target. Oh wait... then it was Manchester... then it will be Bolton-on-sea... sorry haven't RTFT, but I am a Londoner, born and bred. It will be somewhere in the U.K, that is for certain, until these complete fools figure out a way of stopping this nonsense

Ah crap, I missed the IRA comparisons.... why, anyone?

Yes we will all feel uneasy for a while. We have felt the tears of those mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters and friends....

But I travel into central London 5 days a week as I have done for 30 years and there are 8.6million people living here so the likelihood of being affected is miniscule. We all feel afraid after an attack, but we are also safer after than before it.

Yes Blaah i do, and the World Towers thing wouldn't have happened if we had kept our nose out, but we didn't. How far back do we go? We need to stop it, stop the futile killing, but how does it stop. There needs to be a starting point - so, as apologies are unacceptable on MN, maybe we should offer Tony himself - like a sacrifice. I'm sure he won't mind as it's for the greater good....

For the first time in modern history... because the lives of people both here and overseas are depending on it more than ever.

Jack Murray

So, this guy is using the Terrorist attack to actually attack the Conservatives and giving it as a cause to vote Labour. Do you really not see the irony in that?

But it's not true that fear is some independent force you have to process and cannot control.

I didn't say you cannot control it! I said it's an instinctual response and people have to process it. For some that means asking questions, talking to others etc to soothe their fears, others are able to quickly rationalise their fears. Whatever it is, it's nothing to do with ISIS "winning" and their plans. Their plans aren't dependant on how many people in London are afraid. Their plans are dependant on where they think is easiest to get to to cause the most death.

We need to stop it, stop the futile killing, but how does it stop. There needs to be a starting point

We can't stop it. There isn't anything we can do to stop it. Other than killing all of Isis or massively reducing their numbers. Cutting their funding would be a massive start but that's never going to happen.

PlanisNoPlan - The World Towers happened because they needed a 'new Pearl Harbour' event and it was a money sinkhole anyway - better to take down, collect insurance and rebuild.

PlanisNoPlan - The World Towers happened because they needed a 'new Pearl Harbour' event and it was a money sinkhole anyway - better to take down, collect insurance and rebuild.

Took until after midnight for the proper tinfoil hat brigade to arrive.

"What has London got to do with this?"

Um, if you don't know the answer to that you haven't read anything about how this works....

I'm a lifelong Londoner, lost loved ones in previous attacks, so finding this triggering but also a reminder that when mum is gone, I should move. I think we ran from the first bomb when I was 4? It might be time for some peace and quiet!

I started a thread recently about options if I sustained severe injury. I was in an accident in the past and while I think doctors are amazing, the thought of being badly injured again makes me want to, er, opt out. So I won't worry that I'll die going to meet my mates but I worry about injury, plus I'd like to not lose more loved ones, it's different than a loss from illness or accident. Also the bastarding press track you down.

I can't face going through that again. Oh and the racist comments because people think I must be Muslim on account of skin colour.

And all the "pray for.." when you bury loved ones that's no fucking help. (I'm an atheist, obvs).

Okay vent over, I'm going to bed.

Im worried about Glastonbury.

Yes Blaah i do, and the World Towers thing wouldn't have happened if we had kept our nose out, but we didn't.

Do you really think the arabs who attacked the twin towers were incapable of critical thought or action but were born to react inevitably to the "superior" western engine? How patronising and infantalising of you. I'd be pretty pissed if I learned how to fly, crashed my plane into a major symbol of western democracy, killed all the people I wanted to but was told it was all some white western democracy-believing guy's fault because I - the arab terrorist - was not fully capable of such agency.

And have you even read anything of middle eastern history or geography? Do you believe they were all living happily in their own little lands before the white european came in.

not excusing Europe and US's disastrous interventions in the middle east (inter alia) but this simplistic view is actually offensive.

I'm more worried about getting run over.

Pallisers I wouldn't bother.

That poster just appears to be trying to be inflammatory as possible.

I'm like Garlicansapphire...much more worried about bad drivers

I don't really get why this is being compared to road accidents. When I cross a road, I accept that what I am doing is encountering a hazard. I'm not walking into the road for the fun of it. My entire thought process when in the spatial zone of a road is that I must be on high alert to avoid getting hit by a car.

The concourse at Manchester Victoria is where I routinely go to meet teens, often sitting down for a drink, on the edge of a pedestrian area. It's not the middle of a road. I don't say to DD, 'oh, I'll be there in five minutes, just wander into the middle of an A road and wait for me there.' I say, 'meet me at the bottom of the arena steps in Victoria.'

Because it isn't safe to be in the middle of a road. I don't want to spend my whole life walking around in the places where myself and other humans being live and spend time together having the same level of fear and anxiety that I experience crossing an A road.

And I especially don't want to feel that way with the bonus psychological sense of anxiety that the reason I am on high alert outside of Victoria Greggs is because people think my teen daughter is 'shameless' and deserves to die over some utter triviality like dress sense or enjoying music.

Some people are scared and others aren't. Neither are better or worse but telling other people they are letting others down by not feeling the "approved" British way is just not on. Fucking British Imperialism seeping into our emotions. Fuck it.
"Stiff upper lip" is bullshit, it was used to not only get people through the horrors of war but also the likes of covering up abuse, slums, child abuse, turning a blind eye to all sorts of shit. It isn't an admirable quality.

I grew up in NI, I have been caught up in a bombing. A member of my family died in a bombing before I was born. And I've seen more than I can stomach for a lifetime.
I am not failing anyone by now being scared. I am not letting anyone "win" by holding my family closer and not going to big events anymore.

I was in Manchester over night, I was there today it was scary. People are scared and have EVERY right to be so.

Yes Kiera! Agree with every word.