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lionheart · 19/05/2017 17:33

Watch and listen.

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AcrossthePond55 · 23/05/2017 18:50

Remember Ginger, Alex Jones is just 'playing a role'. He's a 'performance artist'. He 'doesn't really believe those things'.

(In case you all think I'm nuts, this was his testimony during his child custody trial. He lost)

And yes, he says that Sandy Hook was an Obama 'hoax'.

lionheart · 23/05/2017 18:53

I don't for one minute pretend to understand the details but it sounds so irresponsible. I was struck by one of the issues raised in the Yates/Clapper hearing--to do with Russian attempts to gain (buy up) a stake in essential services in the US. Maybe also a factor?

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cozietoesie · 23/05/2017 18:54

Something for you all.

Trumpbudget

AcrossthePond55 · 23/05/2017 19:02

It's all taken care of, cozie. We'll just replenish those reserves. And how will we do that? Oh gee, let's see. I know!!! Trump and his cronies can sell us oil!! I'm sure they'll make us a 'sweet deal'. They'll just need some big fat govt contracts to start drilling in our National Parks and other public lands (like ANWAR and CA's Coastal Reserves).

I mean what's the big deal? Who needs those stupid parks and empty land anyway? The people who spend their holidays there can just, I don't know, go to the South of France or Tahiti instead, like 'normal people' do, right?

Every day the corruption becomes more and more blatant. The fact that the regime is beginning to believe that they no longer need to hide their deeds and plans is truly frightening.

GingerIvy · 23/05/2017 19:08

Caroline O.‏ @RVAwonk 17s17 seconds ago
This is disastrous on so many levels --> #TrumpBudget would cut Planned Parenthood out of ALL federal programs. www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/planned-parenthood-trump-budget_us_59237da5e4b03b485cb454ab?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004

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originalbiglymavis · 23/05/2017 19:19

Aw look, Mrs Idiot is smiling for a change (I suspect she is just hoping the thing is linked up to the national grid).

GingerIvy · 23/05/2017 20:05

Trey Yingst‏Verified account @TreyYingst 49s49 seconds ago
White House response to the House Intelligence Hearing today: pic.twitter.com/iWucPpWCnU

GingerIvy · 23/05/2017 20:06

Washington Post‏Verified account @washingtonpost 2m2 minutes ago
Duterte declares martial law on southern Philippine island of Mindanao wapo.st/2rN0U67

Trump would do this if he thought he could get away with it.

Lweji · 23/05/2017 20:12

Trump just can´t get hold of Melania's hand these days. It's like he can't grasp anything these days.

gizmodo.com/president-trump-lands-in-rome-gets-rejected-by-melania-1795472694

And Infowars is upset at some "fake orb news"

gizmodo.com/infowars-would-like-you-to-stop-making-fun-of-trumps-to-1795456128

I do hope the US never reaches the stage where Trump can get away with Martial Law.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/05/2017 21:52

The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: British PM Theresa May: UK increasing terror threat level from severe to critical, believes another attack imminent.

NaiceBiscuits · 23/05/2017 22:02

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 23/05/2017 22:09

LONDON (AP) — British PM May: Raising threat level means military will replace police officers at some public events

AcrossthePond55 · 23/05/2017 22:29

Raising the threat level I guess I can see as this type of fanaticism may breed copy cats or embolden others. Is the use of the military for public events during a period of heightened security unprecedented?

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 23/05/2017 22:35

LONDON (AP) — British PM May: Raising threat level means military will replace police officers at some public events

I wonder if this will include political protests, like when Trumpy visits. Whaddya reckon? Hmm

GingerIvy · 23/05/2017 23:09

The Hill‏Verified account @thehill 8m8 minutes ago
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Homeland Security hires Trump aide Gorka's wife for top advisory role hill.cm/7CGcPnY

Back-dooring Gorka back in?

GingerIvy · 23/05/2017 23:10

Bruce Bartlett‏ @BruceBartlett 9m9 minutes ago
Apparently, Treasury's acting deputy secretary never left the payroll of Goldman Sachs. www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-23/mnuchin-fills-top-jobs-at-treasury-by-avoiding-senate-scrutiny

GingerIvy · 23/05/2017 23:13

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How Steve Mnuchin is filling top Treasury jobs without Senate confirmation bloom.bg/2qTjlG8

GingerIvy · 23/05/2017 23:14

ACLU National‏Verified account @ACLU 45m45 minutes ago
Three takeaways from today’s big victory in our challenge to NSA surveillance. www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/victory-court-allows-wikimedias-challenge-nsa-surveillance-go-forward

GingerIvy · 23/05/2017 23:19

Kyle Griffin‏Verified account @kylegriffin1 26m26 minutes ago
Sens. Warren, Murray are raising concerns w/ Dept. of Ed. that an employee isn't complying w/ fed. ethics standards, Trump's ethics pledge. pic.twitter.com/wrUPU8NkBY

M0stlyBowlingHedgehog · 23/05/2017 23:19

I think, as I understand it, that this is a major difference between the US and the UK, Across. If I'm getting my understanding of the US and the importance of the constitution correct, it's simply unthinkable to deploy troops on US soil. (Hence the existence of the national guard). In contrast, the military over here has been used historically for tasks as mundane as strike breaking - deploying military fire engines in the event of a fire-fighters' strike, for instance.

What they have not been used for, typically, is public order.

This speech from then Minister for the Armed Forces, Nick Harvey, is very interesting. He points out that the army is trained to apply lethal force against external threats, not trained for policing, and lays out very carefully the difference between policing by consent and military force, and argues that the latter is not an appropriate response to civil disorder. So this was ConDem government policy as recently as 6 years ago.

Counter-terrorism operations are (or should be) seen as very different from policing civil disorder - so certainly there are reasons to believe that quite a few politicians in the Tory party would strongly resist any attempt to extend temporary measures to use the army for counter terrorism to encompass policing demonstrations as well. However (and it's a big however), we all know that "mission creep" can and does take place. And our existing restrictions on the right to peaceful protest are among the most restrictive of any countries I know of that can reasonably claim to be democratic.

Incidentally, a quick check of wikipedia shows the threat level has been up at critical on two occasions in the last dozen years or so - 2006 and 2007. As far as I can see, the army were not deployed in the aftermath of the 7/7 bombings in 2005. Armed police were used to cover the G8 summit in Gleneagles, but no hint of the use of the army.

M0stlyBowlingHedgehog · 23/05/2017 23:20

Sorry, meant to say Nick Harvey's speech was given back in 2011.

GingerIvy · 23/05/2017 23:25

Rogue WH Snr Advisor‏ @RogueSNRadvisor 7h7 hours ago
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Pres "doesn't want to see another video" of the Melania hand slap. Says next time he sees it, "...someone's getting fired."

Don't know if this is true, but it is funny. Grin

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 23/05/2017 23:27

He points out that the army is trained to apply lethal force against external threats, not trained for policing, and lays out very carefully the difference between policing by consent and military force, and argues that the latter is not an appropriate response to civil disorder. So this was ConDem government policy as recently as 6 years ago.

That's interesting Hedgehog. I read somewhere that this was one of the reasons for the high number of civilian shootings/deaths by police in the US, as a much higher proportion of their police are ex-military & less skilled in de-escalating situations than police in other countries like the UK.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 23/05/2017 23:28

Senior GMP officer on BBC News just said