To use the disabled loo when I'm with my son?

[RestingBitch]

My sons 9 months and obviously still in his pushchair. The majority of the time it's just me and him when I go into town/visit places. When I need the loo I get an attack of conscious, I normally use the disabled loo so I can bring him in with me.
Can't use a regular loo as I can't get him in the cubicle in his chair. Don't want to take him out of his pushchair and plonk him on the floor as the floors are manky and he will eat whatever is on the floor. He'll also probably try and crawl under the gap and interrupt someone else. Don't really like the idea of leaving him in his pushchair whilst I nip in the cubicle, so providing there isn't someone waiting for the disabled loos, AIBU to use them? I'm usually in and out and so far I've never encountered anyone waiting for one, or the impatient rattle of the door. If I am being unreasonable, short of pissing myself what's the options?

Not a troll, and don't work for any newspapers :).

I know step away for a bit and block it out. It's not perfect, but it helps.

I had a conversation upthread about disabled toilets often not fitting my (regular size, I'm not ginormous!) wheelchair in. There's not a chance in hell it would have fit my double buggy in (that was ginormous).
Where do all the parents with double's pee?

(Big doubles with turning circles of articulated lorries, not little umbrella folds)

My double pushchair is the reason I use the accessible or disabled toilet if there's no large non disabled toilets.

Lots of toilets I can't fit it between the cubicles and the sinks so using the bottom cubicle and leaving the door open isn't an option.

I can't fit 3 of us in a regular sized cubicle so unstrapping them and taking them in with me isn't an option.

That leaves me with the option of leaving them outside or using the disabled toilet when necessary. I wouldn't leave them unsupervised or with a stranger, I'd rather be judged and considered a selfish snowflake.

Oh and changing to a smaller pushchair isn't an option either unfortunately.

Comparing going out with a baby to living with disability is incredibly offensive.
It also makes your average parent seem like a helpless, clueless arse.

I'm no genius but with three children, including a disabled child, I've never needed to use disabled facilities.

People confuse want with need. It my be easier and more convenient to use the disabled facilities but it is rarely needed unless you actually are living with disability.
Dressing it up as 'oh but I find it so difficult/worrying/challenging is just a bit pathetic TBH.

The above describes both my severely disabled mother and your average 9 month old.
there really are no words

'It's bollocks like this which makes life so hard for those with small children and confines people.'

No it's 'bollocks like this' which makes life hard for those with disabilities, when someone gormlessly likens the logistics of managing a small child's needs to the daily struggles a disabled person has.

Maybe women with pushchairs just shouldn't go out...
Isn't that how people used to think about disabled people?
Shouldn't we all be a fairer and more tolerant society to each other and realise that it's difficult in a lot of situations some more than others.

I'd wee with the door open, not poo or change sanpro (especially if these unisex toilets that keep getting thrown about start popping up)

Was in toys r us today - they had a male, female, accessible and a baby changing room with toilet.

Would the same argument be taking place if a person with disabilities was using the baby changing toilet? If they came out with no pram/baby to a queue of parents waiting to change their baby? Or would it be ok if they were using a place not legally designated for them, but holding up the queue for people who the space was designated for?

It's bollocks like this which makes life so hard for those with small children and confines people.'
Really? It's knowing that I won't have a chance to use an accessible loo that frequently stops me going out.

90% of the time the baby changing is in the disabled toilet. Therefore you would not be questioned to take your child in there. No one knows if you're changing a nappy or having a wee. Places with family rooms don't always have a toilet in them but I check them first.

Baby changing facilities generally don't provide the right facilities and space for many requiring disabled toilets so those people are unlikely to be in there.

Do you have a citation for that stat, purple?

Spikey I'm not talking about someone with a physical disability or a wheelchair user. for instance, someone with a digestive disorder, migraine, asd, heart condition, diabetes, infertility, all which are legally recognised invisible disabilities. Should they morally use the baby changing room and toilet, or should they queue for the disabled toilet just in case a parent needs the baby change?

Just it's been mentioned on threads like these before that parents should just use online shopping if they cant manage toilets/normal parking spaces

Isn't that how people used to think about disabled people?

Those with disabilities fought for these toilets and spaces on buses. Both of which those with pushchairs seem to think is their automatic right to use.

Maybe worth remembering hey.

Most of those conditions wouldn't require anything other than the standard toilets.

Really? It's knowing that I won't have a chance to use an accessible loo that frequently stops me going out.
Yes. I love getting stuck on normal toilets and not being able to get up is real fun for me

Not the point spikey and you know it.

As I said, should a disabled person have to queue up to use an accessible toilet, or a standard toilet if there was an empty P&C designated space that would accommodate their needs? Or should it be left just in case needed by a parent?

TheTartOfAsgard you seem to have lost the plot
why are you talking about parking spaces?

TheTart stop looking for an answer that is not actually relevant to the discussion.

Not parking spaces. Parent and baby toilets/changing rooms. Should they be kept empty and only used by P&C or should anyone be allowed to use them if there is a queue for the accessible or standard toilets? Just seeing if it morally works both ways. What's good for the goose etc

ahh but being a parent isnt a disability
so you gf posts don't work

Never said it was a disability. You're being deliberately obtuse. I'm asking as a parent and as someone with disabilities.

If, as suggested, there were separate accessible toilets and baby changing toilets then it's safe to say that only people with babies/toddlers should use the ones designated for them. So if there's a queue for the accessible toilet but an empty parent/baby toilet then it should stay empty, even if someone in the disabled queue could have an accident? That's what it equates to. It is relevant, I'm just turning it round.

One rather imagines Asgard that it's a moot point, the loo tends to be lower, no hand rails, no alarm, access to the sink not as easy.

Still not relevant though.

Fucking hell

"MY needs should come before disabled peoples WAHWAHWAH."
"I don't care if someone needs special toilets I should come first."

sickening.

There is another issue going on at the moment about Female toilets being invaded, some of the people who will happily take from the disabled minority of society do not like it when it happens to them.

Interested to know what you think I should do in my situation. My local shopping centre actually has separate baby change facilities (go them!) which I always use to change my babies, however there is no loo in there so if I need the loo what do I do?

I am absolutely not leaving my 14 week old twins outside alone where they could get snatched or leaving them in the care of a stranger. My double buggy wouldn't fit in a cubicle doorway. I can't hold them both while using the loo. I can't carry both in a sling as they're too heavy and don't have enough head control to have one on the back yet.

I haven't yet had to use the loo while alone with them, but if I did my only option would be the disabled loo or to wet myself. Sometimes I have to go out without another adult, and I won't always be able to wait until I get home I'm sure....