To use the disabled loo when I'm with my son?

[RestingBitch]

My sons 9 months and obviously still in his pushchair. The majority of the time it's just me and him when I go into town/visit places. When I need the loo I get an attack of conscious, I normally use the disabled loo so I can bring him in with me.
Can't use a regular loo as I can't get him in the cubicle in his chair. Don't want to take him out of his pushchair and plonk him on the floor as the floors are manky and he will eat whatever is on the floor. He'll also probably try and crawl under the gap and interrupt someone else. Don't really like the idea of leaving him in his pushchair whilst I nip in the cubicle, so providing there isn't someone waiting for the disabled loos, AIBU to use them? I'm usually in and out and so far I've never encountered anyone waiting for one, or the impatient rattle of the door. If I am being unreasonable, short of pissing myself what's the options?

Not a troll, and don't work for any newspapers :).

Remember this thread goes towards Mumsnets "educational content".

This is what I could find (section 21i from the DDA 1995. I did search the superseding EA 2010, but couldn't find any reference to toilets af all)

Duty of providers of services to make adjustments.

(1)Where a provider of services has a practice, policy or procedure which makes it impossible or unreasonably difficult for disabled persons to make use of a service which he provides, or is prepared to provide, to other members of the public, it is his duty to take such steps as it is reasonable, in all the circumstances of the case, for him to have to take in order to change that practice, policy or procedure so that it no longer has that effect.

So i take from that, that if customer policy says able bodied people can use the toilet and it is preventing disabled people using it, it is the duty of the business to address this, or they are being (legally) discriminatory?

If they're just for the space, it's weird how a compulsory stoma shelf is part of the compulsory government guidelines that GardenGeek shared up thread, isn't it.

They are all supposed to have a shelf? That's news to me!

Here they are again :)
www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-the-design-and-layout-of-sanitary-spaces

Stop patronising disabled people to make yourselves look good.
This person does not deserve to be on here.
Shameful absolutely shameful.

Cheepandorm i agree with you 100%

Oh ffs

I saw this today and thought of this thread.

Would it make it easier if all establishments put a notice on like this one - with a slight rewording for those that are also baby changes?

A wee while MNHQ promised to ban anyone who was warned 3 times for posting disablist shite
Seems some posters on this thread could easily meet that threshold
But then I am cynical given some of the posts that are allowed to stand that such a ban was ever implemented

I'm actually neither angry or bitter.

I'm just pointing out that there is yet another thread HQ let's slide with another load of playing down and dismissing disabilities, for another load of advertising money.

I was adding to MNHQ's pockets.

I don't think it wokld make the slightest difference sadly merlin those that are so self centred will still do what they want without consideration for those the facilities are actually intended for.

A wee while MNHQ promised to ban anyone who was warned 3 times for posting disablist shite Seems some posters on this thread could easily meet that threshold

I suppose we shoudl be thankful HQ aren't joining in with it on this occasion and be happy with our rightful place at the bottom.

The poster is fine as long as there is a separate changing area for babies that also has a toilet in it.

some of you clearly dont understand the comments from both sides. SOME toilets have the wheelchair and baby both on the sign meaning either can use it, how is that dismissing disabilities?

SOME toilets have the wheelchair and baby both on the sign meaning either can use it

As repeatedly mentioned throughout the thread..... we were not talking about these toilets

At the place the poster was up the main loos had 3 cubicles with the end one extra large with room for buggy and had baby change.

My local Waitrose actively encourages the use of the disabled loo if there's a queue in the main one and often a staff member will come in and invite people to use it when queuing!

'I used a toilet that was available with space. If it didn't have a changing sign on the door i wouldn't have used it. Simple as that. But it did, so i did. I had to.'
As has been said several times, the combined baby change/disabled facilities aren't what's been discussed. It's the ones where they are separate.
Just because you once used a combined one does not mean that every accessible toilet is a baby change too.

I should point out that a lot of accessible toilet's have big changing areas becuase a lot of disabled children need them, not to invite all baby's to be changed there.

well then maybe all of them should be changed to combined baby change/disabled facilities.

Ok . Apology for mentioning the McCanns . Mea culpa.
However - and well everyone knows it - my point vis a vis scorning mothers' fears stands .

Here's a better one Jamie Bulger , AND IT DOESNT MATTER THAT OTHER KIDS DID IT .

You just don't want to admit that some women have legitimate fears - or that those scorning those fears are also the first to blame mothers when a child goes missing or otherwise meets harm - which is nice , for MumsNet.

Good grief .

well then maybe all of them should be changed to combined baby change/disabled facilities.

Why?
Would you really want an adult to be changed in the ssame place as a baby?

isn't that humiliating?