To use the disabled loo when I'm with my son?

[RestingBitch]

My sons 9 months and obviously still in his pushchair. The majority of the time it's just me and him when I go into town/visit places. When I need the loo I get an attack of conscious, I normally use the disabled loo so I can bring him in with me.
Can't use a regular loo as I can't get him in the cubicle in his chair. Don't want to take him out of his pushchair and plonk him on the floor as the floors are manky and he will eat whatever is on the floor. He'll also probably try and crawl under the gap and interrupt someone else. Don't really like the idea of leaving him in his pushchair whilst I nip in the cubicle, so providing there isn't someone waiting for the disabled loos, AIBU to use them? I'm usually in and out and so far I've never encountered anyone waiting for one, or the impatient rattle of the door. If I am being unreasonable, short of pissing myself what's the options?

Not a troll, and don't work for any newspapers :).

Looney, I was never bothered about them crying for a couple of minutes, but the way our old toilet blocks were laid out around here when mine were small was so bad that it would have been? virtually leaving the child on the street, just feet from cars and lorries squeezing by on a small but very busy road.

I am glad that those have been replanned now. They really were dreadful.

Disabled by a pushchair? Seriously!?

What Sirzy just said

Op you are disabled by pushchair and environment so use facilities.
I've reported this, it has to be one of the most insulting comments I've seen on Mumsnet.

There's always one. Are babies tiny disabled people too, sabistick?

It's okay, it's educating people...

I wonder if parents who are "disabled by their pushchair" have ever took a second to consider how the campaigning by disabled people over the years has actually made life for them so much easier!

Op you are disabled by pushchair and environment so use facilities.
Fuck right off

Hq. Can you advise if that poster will be emailed and told just quote how offensive that was?

Saby, I saw your post before it was removed. Don't confuse inconvenience with disability. That's bollocks.

A pushchair is an inconvenience, albeit a necessary one. Of course, the person pushing it may be fully able bodied, or could have some disabilities or medical issues.

It is yet again why better planning is needed.

This may have been covered in the last couple of pages but 'accessibility' currently refers to disability. This is my field of work and on websites you'll see it linked (for orgs that understand their responsibilities) to let people know how they can access the content using things like assistive technology, which is things like screenreaders for people with visual impairments. Some of these make things easier for everyone, so you have those with disabilities to thank for many of the mainstream improvements to really key services actually.

We are working to move towards 'inclusive design', which in effect means what Gardengeek, said about making many more facilities work for as many people as possible, but until that happens I would never dream of using an accessible toilet. It's laughable that people would try to equate a single toilet for everyone's use with a whole set of toilets for non-disabled users and one accessible one.

I just made sure I went before leaving the house with DS and didn't go whilst out, just as you would do if wherever you were going didn't have any toilets.

In my line of work I see people who are unable to do their job because of something that seems totally trivial to those who should be sorting it out. It makes them feel undervalued and prevents them progressing in their careers - it is discrimination in effect. Add together all the seemingly small things that people deal with and have minimised by others daily and the result is a whole segment of society who not only have to cope with their impairment as it is, but who also have to constantly prove their need for the most basic of things.

Vanessa George was reported to have nearly snatched a young boy from public toilets whilst his mum was in a cubicle.
May have stuck in people's minds. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to leave small children/babies unattended in public spaces tbh.

Having a pushchair is not a disability!!
Having to use the disabled loo because they are higher up and you know if you use the normal ones you can end up not being able to get off the loo yourself and having to ask the person you're with for help.
Having to use the disabled because you suddenly get an attack of ibs
Or because you're incontinent.
These are disabilities!
You have absoulutely no idea!
None!

Children get abducted from everywhere, even when people are watching. How many babies have been abducted or attempted abduction from hospitals with all the doctors and midwives around. Why would any normal parent take that risk?

I would never take the risk of leaving my children unsupervised even for 30 seconds.

As for parents should plan better or organise their children better, i'm organised but still get caught short when I'm out on occasion, it happens.

Some very hypocritical posters on this thread. On p&c threads the same posters defend those without children using p&c spaces with the reasoning that the user may need that space more than a special snowflake parent and are not to be confronted because obviously they will have used their judgement and really needed that space.

Yet those of us who do use accessible toilets when absolutely necessary are most definitely just doing it to be selfish dicks.

Just to be clear I'm not talking about blue badge holders who use p&c spaces

I'm also aware that p&c spaces are just a nice to have unlike disabled spaces and accessible toilets

Cucucachoo
And how would you know who is disabled? I don't look disabled.
I don't have a label on my head.

Cucucachoo you not only sound thoroughly unpleasant in that post but you sound proud of it. And how do you know there isn't someone in desperate need outside waiting?

It's not like we're having a spa day in there... sometimes DS1 needs a poo tge same time DD2 needs a nappy change.
Besides kali how would you know if either I or my kids had a disability since, yes... there are many...
sooty like I said, we're not having a spa day in there, just using the loo

Woops, meant to say that yes, many are invisible

Because iv read your bloody comment.
Saddens me how many ignorant people there are

kali 598 comments and I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Pick a fight elsewhere because I couldn't care less what your opinion of me is.

I was just coming on here to have a moan about this actual thing. I have a invisible disability and was out today when I desperately needed the toilet. I of course first tried the actual ladies toilet and the cue was at least 10/15 people so I had no choice to use the disabled toilet I waited for 5 minutes for someone in there assumeing it was a genuine disabled person who was having trouble. Unfortunately I didn't get to the toilet on time when a young mum come out and just said sorry I had no where to leave the buggy and then told me that I was disgusting and stunk and that I shouldn't be allowed out the house if I was going to do that she then walked less then 15 secs away and met her friend who was waiting outside with another buggy and decided to point, laugh and shout what a disgusting person I was. I ended up leaving the shop in tears and went straight home with out any shopping. This wasn't a disabled toilet/ baby changing just a disabled toilet. So sorry you had being extremely ub.

Blazing, confronting anyone using a p and c space is unreasonable. Confronting anyone coming out of an accessible toilet is unreasonable. Using an accessible toilet when you don't need to is unreasonable.

Cucucachoo you are the one who is goading people. I won't bother giving my opinion of you, not because you don't care but because it would get me banned.