To consider the Conservatives' manifesto pretty decent on the whole?

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

Pretty decent in terms in principles, that is ... as so often with manifestos it's too thin on costings

Main points here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311

Full version here: www.conservatives.com/manifesto

Yes it a great privilege for my youngest child to have never met her grandparents.
Yes I guess she could have no grandparents and we could still be broke.
But dh works hard and earns good money. I was able to buy my home as I worked in banking and was frugal.
I didn't have any such advantage myself but I still want to help our children.
O and I have never voted Tory in my life and never will. I would be the same even if we were in the 80k bracket which we are not.

Well folks it is free breakfasts for all and the scheme was Piloted 3 months ago in a school in Blackpool. Also money saved in stopping free school dinners and having cheap breakfasts will be put back into system. So no more cash just recycle cash already given. Now tell me election was not planned months ago.

Well folks it is free breakfasts for all and the scheme was Piloted 3 months ago in a school in Blackpool. Also money saved in stopping free school dinners and having cheap breakfasts will be put back into system. So no more cash just recycle cash already given. Now tell me election was not planned months ago.

Don't know why it posted twice sorry!

Just thought I'd add this snippet

www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-brexit-sterling-drop-gaffe-general-election-diane-abbott-far-worse-being-attacked-a7741116.html

Fab39ish
Why do you think the working class should pay for your children to have a house when they can't afford their own home.

Jamie I do think it is a good idea that the individuals should acknowledge responsibility for their own care but I don't have your confidence that the focus is improving long term care or protecting those who don't have these resources (for whatever reason). That should be the government's job. If you are lucky enough to be healthy (and if you are wealthy, that might be likelier), you won't have to pay anything at all. So the concept of insurance - i.e. where everyone pays but not everyone gets a pay out - which is the labour plan, is fairer. Social care budgets are being slashed. They will continue to be slashed by the Tories.The government will be making savings without providing anything in return and causing older people a great deal of anxiety about the future in the process.

I meant the tax thing for labour...not insurance.

This is interesting

www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_chart.html

The more I read about this policy the more I'm shocked that anyone wants to vote Tory really.

You're right.... the more I think about this the more angry i am. It's an incredibly poor policy, causing worry to the huge number of pensioners who own their own home for whom the risk of having their inheritance seriously depleted, is dependent on whether they get dementia. I was planning to vote Tory... no longer.

Ps I don't agree that the ordinary tax payer should just pick up the care bill of a millionaire... we need something involving a combination of more tax, social care insurance, and capped contributions along with a range of other measures. This policy is the worst of all worlds.

Why do you think the working class should pay for your children to have a house when they can't afford their own home.

Fair point, but why focus in on penalising people needing social care and not health care.

You do realise that there are people who are on minimum wage/low paid jobs paying mortgages.

I don't Jaime As hrt payers we are net contributors. Happy to be and in fact dh would even be happy to pay any extra penny in the pound.

Jamie My 81 year old mum is working class. She worked for FIFTY YEARS in chicken factories to pay a mortgage on a 3 bedroom semi. Along with my dads builders wage. She only retired 18 months ago at the age of 79.

My dad is still working at 81 as a taxi driver.

i.e. where everyone pays but not everyone gets a pay out - which is the labour plan, is fairer
Only that idea takes more money from people who can't afford it, to provide care for people who might be living in a million pound house. Never mind that it probably won't even touch the edges of the problem. Tapping in to the massive unearned fortunes of the wealthy is much fairer.

O and incidentally FIL sold his home and downsized so she could pay for hid own care whilst dying from cancer. Maybe we were lucky it was a quick death and not a slow one like dementia.

Fab39ish Thats great, then you will be able to pay for you own care and will be able to pass your house on to your children.

Tapping in to the massive unearned fortunes of the wealthy is much fairer.

Perhaps. But it does absolutely nothing to address the historic levels of Tory debt, nor the underlying problems in the housing sector leading to these inequalities in the first place.

Again a Tory plan=no plan.

Jaime this isn't just the wealthy in million pound houses it will effect though. This is your every day working class person that this will effect. My teenage children have never been on holiday because we are paying a mortgage which we thought we give some security.

O and I am definitely working class and I brought a house. I was just luck that it was before prices rose to the stupid levels they are now.

Yes we will just downsize from our mansion ( average family home in the South East).
Let's just hope our kids have moved out by than.

But it does absolutely nothing to address the historic levels of Tory debt How not? the deficit is coming down and will keep coming down until it gets to zero under the Tories.

nor the underlying problems in the housing sector I think all parties keep saying they will build more houses. Seeing as neither party have managed it in recent years I conclude its not as easy as waving a magic wand.

My teenage children have never been on holiday because we are paying a mortgage which we thought we give some security So you would be happy to pay more and more tax to fund people living in very expensive houses having free care? Your house will and has given you security, everyone should do the same.

Tapping in to the massive unearned fortunes of the wealthy is much fairer.

Firstly, for a pensioner £100k is not 'the wealthy', it's virtually everyone who owns a house. Secondly, it's the unfairness of a policy that singles out the 20% or so of population who will get dementia or will have other conditions needing care for what is, in effect, massively inflated inheritance tax.

So you would be happy to pay more and more tax to fund people living in very expensive houses having free care? Your house will and has given you security, everyone should do the same.

But the answer isn't to penalise the average pensioner with a home... the very wealthy will pay for care from their income. If you want to the very wealthy to make more of a contribution, have a policy that focuses on them such as higher inheritance tax for very large estates.