To be pissed off with the queues for women's loos?

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Aibu to get pissed off? This is an interesting article on womens loos vrs mens. I get quite irate about this. From getting off an aeroplane to see the huge queue at women's loos, same often at service stations, nightclubs, concerts. I was at a recent posh sporting event and it was bad enough going in that the women had a longer wait going through security but once inside going to the loo ended in a 20 minute wait whilst the men just walked in and out, glancing over at us as all the women just stood quietly. Now some venues are changing the women's loos to gender neutral so open to all but still keeping seperate loos with urinals for men which is making women queue even longer. Why do we just queue, say nothing and accept this? Is it just me that gets annoyed (mild) at this?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2017/may/11/edmonton-oilers-womens-bathrooms-female

Funnily enough OP I was only thinking about this today! Why do we put up with new/renovated buildings not organising loos better? If women spend longer in them, we need more, clearly!

And YY to this Use the gents. Say you're non-binary

I had a bit of a sense of humour failure the other weekend over loos. Slightly different issue, but related. I was at a local Forestry Commission venue for a parkrun. They (fairly) recently built a new toilet block with about 20 cubicles in the ladies and decent handdryers (to link in with the other thread on handwashing). And there are two accessible loos.

So I arrive about 8.30 for a 9am start and the loos are locked (and the mens). The two accessible loos are open. So not only are we all queuing for 2 loos when there are 20+ (not sure how many there are in the mens) but of course, we are all using the accessible loos even though we are all mobile enough to run 5k. I was not best pleased.

Eventually someone came along and opened the main loos. It's not the first time I've gone there and the loos have been locked. Why would a venue do this?

Mulled I guess in that case it's because the Parkrun is a volunteer-run activity and not organised by the venue. They are not obliged to open up facilities to Parkrun timings etc.

In lots of places the main loos are locked till the morning clean.

Actually buildings are designed having to adhere to strict building control regulations as well as guidelines from organisations like the royal institute of British architects and the Building Research Establishment, all of whom stipulate minimum required standards depending on the end use of the building. Also, the local authority will not grant planning permission if the a building fails to meet these requirements.

Pan, who do you imagine came up with these regulations and guidelines? I'd hazard a guess that RIBA etc mostly consists of the aforementioned white, middle-aged, able-bodied, non-encumbered-by-small-children men.

So at best, they are trying to imagine what people with disabilities, or women with babies/toddlers in tow need. At worst, it doesn't occur to them at all. Hence the loos being situated in the centre, the cubicle being too small, etc.

But thank you for explaining that there are regulations for the design of buildings, I'd never have known. Thank God you're here.

It really annoys me.

I don't believe that men are quicker on the whole either. I am a really quick toilet goer and I expect alot of women are too.

They should get rid of all urinals and use that space for more cubicles to benefit everyone, not just some. A long line of small cubicles that are unisex. Then there need only be one handwashing space saving room again.

It's o/t, but spend any time in a wheelchair and it's blatant that the person who planned wasn't in one. Toilets that don't fit a chair in and be able to shut the door are common

Black tea - and the women who use moon cup type things and need to essay them out/wash their hands of blood? Sharing with men?

Essay = wash. Dunno wtf happened there

Also I think that (in the absence of the above happening) at events involving children / where children are likely to be there should be a few signs / interval announcements saying "could as many Dads as possible take their small kids in the gents" to relieve pressure (as it were) on the ladies loo. You frequently see Mums taking all their kids, including quite big boys, in the ladies even when the Dad is there.

I agree, women take longer due to biology, they have to remove clothing and sit down. They may need to change sanitary products as well. It is shit, but that is how it is, unless they increase the amount of cubicles at a venue. I went to a venue one evening recently, and there was no queue for the ladies, they did have a decent amount of cubicles though.

Adding t my biological reasons upthread, IBS is also more common in women

I often use the mens when the queue ks really long as I can't stand standing in a queue while the men just swan past.

Perhaps I will say I'm non binary in future. Or just say I'm a man like those rapists who claim they are women (apologies to actual trans people - not your fault some men are taking advantage- but sauce for the goose etc.)

Black tea - and the women who use moon cup type things and need to wash them out/wash their hands of blood? Sharing with men?

Tbf as a woman I would find sharing washing facilities with men more acceptable than having someone emptying their mooncup next to me. I have no issues with my own menstrual blood but I have no desire to see anyone else's.

As for taking longer due to biology that is only relevant for those who happen to be on their period AND have to change their tampon or whatever. Even on my period I can be in, bag down, kecks down, pee, kecks up and out in less than two minutes.

I dont use them, but I've heard plenty of people say they empty them in the toilet, but need to use the sink to wash them out and wash their hands. Not quite the same as emptying it down the sink

Livia, I said upthread women have a slower pee rate than men and also need to pee more frequently because of changing hormones. Then add to that they are more likely to have IBS, before even mentioning periods.

AyeAmarok

The people who come up with these regulations do not 'imagine' anything. Their stipulated guidelines and published required stardards are derived from empirical data studies and consultations. You make it sound like a bunch of blokes sitting around a table guessing and making shit up. The afore mentioned BRE will have conducted research on everything from the thermal energy values of the glass in windows through to the minimum width that a corridor has to be to cater for 'X' number of foot fall. The main problem is that an awful lot of building stock is decades if not centuries old and obviously constructed before many modern regulations existed and sadly it is often difficult to retrofit.

Not much different though - it's still fairly rank in a public toilet. I know people are washing all kinds of their hands but I really don't want someone to be washing it out next to me

So what is the sensible reason for toilets being centred in the cubicle, so the period bin has to be jammed down one side and you bash your leg into it when you pee?

YANBU op. A beach resort I go to recently changed it's toilets from m/f to 7 cubicles, 5 either sex, 2 male only, urinals. So, considering women take longer because of our biology they have made 5 toilets available to us and 7 available to men.

I'm fat and yet I have never experienced this phenomenon

That said, our local public lavs have a postbox in the wall behind the toilet for sanitary products so I suppose that's the answer

I wondered why it was more acceptable to wash it next to another woman than a man.

And i don't thjnk the blood should be in the sink really. Cant the blood go in the loo? and then if you have to wash some off your hands so what?

Also drives me mad that often the womens loos are further than the mens...eg - mens on ground floor, womens upstairs or mens first along the corridor, womens right at the end. OK if you're on your own but with a toddler - yikes! ....National Trust are you reading this ????????

Not sure if it's been said already but one reason is that the tank often takes longer than a wee to fill up so unless you want to leave it unflushed for next one in queue you have to wait.

Yanbu. I used to march into the blokes loos at festivals.