To be pissed off with the queues for women's loos?

[Bambambini]

Aibu to get pissed off? This is an interesting article on womens loos vrs mens. I get quite irate about this. From getting off an aeroplane to see the huge queue at women's loos, same often at service stations, nightclubs, concerts. I was at a recent posh sporting event and it was bad enough going in that the women had a longer wait going through security but once inside going to the loo ended in a 20 minute wait whilst the men just walked in and out, glancing over at us as all the women just stood quietly. Now some venues are changing the women's loos to gender neutral so open to all but still keeping seperate loos with urinals for men which is making women queue even longer. Why do we just queue, say nothing and accept this? Is it just me that gets annoyed (mild) at this?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2017/may/11/edmonton-oilers-womens-bathrooms-female

Exactly Bonfires (love the name!) - they are perfectly capable of provisioning adequate (in fact ample) space for Ladies' loos when they detect a pecuniary advantage from having them.

Yes Bambam I so agree - gents' toilets right there and ladies' down in the toilets or up in the attic! Why?! Probably again because when the buildings were being built it was all men boozing in the pub while the womenfolk were at home doing the ironing

The first time I went to NYC was in August when it was crazy hot. I spent the whole time trapped in the desire to chug endless amounts water, and the resultant constant need to pee with no public toilets anywhere. That is literally my overriding memory of that holiday.

I've not noticed this th
At the services there and tons of cubicles.

There was no queue at the Buckingham palace portaloos which by the way were posher than my own toilet!

I took 2 DC to the NHM (5 hours away and per-booked train and tube tickets) in the summer holidays on one of the hottest day's had to queue outside forever when we left we noticed a side entrance the queue for the ladies was about 30 minutes from now on we have be walking into the gents if the queue is ridiculously long and many other people follow suit.

As well as loos I get irked when trying to get into a venue that requires a pat down search if they've only one female member of security.

In some places they actually have laws requiring more loos for women. Check out Wikipedia "potty parity." That article doesn't mention a number of other states in the US that have laws, not just Oregon, which you'd kind of expect, but even places like Florida and Texas. And check out China and India!

I have been known to commandeer the men's loos on behalf of a long queue of women. But I'd prefer separate facilities -- the men are soooooo messy, ugh.

New buildings do require more toilets for women: www.washroomcubicles.co.uk/how-many-toilets-do-you-need/

I admire how most theatres have managed to squeeze in extra ladies' toilets in various small spaces, but it does require planning to know which ones are generally empty as opposed to crowded.

My pet peeve is cubicle doors that swing shut so women think the cubicle is occupied. I queued for ages at the Tate the other day, but it turned out that there were four empty cubicles at the end of the row, but the first women in the queue wouldn't move forward or check (another peeve...)

When we're out in public I usually get MrNC to take kids to the toilet, as they won't need to queue.

I've always been pissed off by this too. I really think that there should be double the amount of cubicles in women's toilets than in that of men's.

While we're on the subject (someone mentioned cubicle size earlier) PLEASE can we stop with the hand washing area big enough to hold a barn dance, but the actual cubicles are too small for me to get inside and close the door without squishing my bump?

Poor DD(4) is getting used to weeing with the door open because we can't both fit in the cubicle. Then when it's my turn I end up leaving her outside and peering round the door.

Why are we having gender neutral loos ffs? I don't want to change my tampon with a blokey In the next stall having a giant dump.. because lets face it girls, they will be in the urinals if not going to 'punish the porcelain'

I have just marched into the gents before to use cubicles saying "Not looking" and no-one has ever stopped me.
Just do this. Men generally aren't going to care.

Yes, buildings are mostly designed by white, middle-aged, able-bodied, non-encumbered-by-small-children men.

Actually buildings are designed having to adhere to strict building control regulations as well as guidelines from organisations like the royal institute of British architects and the Building Research Establishment, all of whom stipulate minimum required standards depending on the end use of the building. Also, the local authority will not grant planning permission if the a building fails to meet these requirements.

Also, is there something wrong with being male and white?

Whilst I do think that women should get more loos, I do have to say there are some women who just take an extraordinary long time too.

Men are often given the same amount of floor space, but by nature of the fact multiple urinals can take the space of one or two cubicles they can be in and out quicker because there's more provisions than in the ladies' loos where it's cubicles only.

However, whilst women do often have legitimate reasons to take longer - eg changing sanpro - to suggest that "tight clothes" or having a coat/handbag means it takes significantly longer is just ludicrous. I can honestly say that I have never taken longer in the loo because my clothes were too tight to get my pants up and down within a few seconds and hanging my handbag up can be done in a second while locking the door behind myself. What does take longer is having to wipe down the loo because some inconsiderate person has left it covered in wee because they think that hovering over the loo and then leaving heir bodily fluids on the seat is more hygienic than just sitting on the seat like the rest of us.

Also what often takes longer isn't always the actual cubicles but waiting for every stage - you wait to get into the cubicle; once you come out you have to wait to wash your hands in the space that is taken up not only by the queue for the cubicles but also the queue for the sinks; then often there is a bottleneck trying to get out through the single width doorway as the queue in makes it hard to manoeuvre out. And that is before you take into account the ladies who use the loos as a social club - taking selfies, reapplying their entire face worth of make up, blocking multiple sinks with all the stuff they've brought in with them, or the ones who are just loitering as they wait for their friend who is still in a cubicle/doing one of those other things rather than waiting for their friend outside the loo area.

"Also, is there something wrong with being male and white?"

God no, I imagine it quite fabulous actually.

Nothing wrong with it, so long as they realise that other people are NOT. Which many of them don't seem able to do.

I think Pan is male - pehaps he hasn't had to experience loo rage.

Yes Pan is male.

I suggest Pan aquaints himself with the concept of white male as the lowest difficulty setting

Women actually have a slower pee flow rate than men. So a woman and a man peeing at the same time, even if they don't have to faff with clothes, sanpro, whatever - the woman will take longer to empty her bladder of the same amount.

Women also need to pee more frequently due to hormonal crap and having many more bits crammed in their abdominal cavity.

Also saying a pad is quick to change doesn't account for having to clean up the scene from Carrie in your undercarriage

YABU. Women simply take longer than men. Nothing to get worked up about.

I suggest Pan aquaints himself with the concept of white male as the lowest difficulty setting

I suggest he ignores this piece of nonsense and ignores anyone who has the temerity to assume his level of privilege based on innate characteristics alone, with absolutely no knowledge of his lived experiences.

Well US loos would solve the "is the loo empty or occupied" also probably make folk hang aroundvin there longer than absolutely necessary.

Sommerford, that article I linked to was written by a straight white male.

Sommerford, that article I linked to was written by a straight white male.

If a woman said she wasn't a feminist because she believes women have things just fine, she'll likely be told she's suffering from internalised misogyny. Equally fair to argue that a white man writing an article such as this may suffer from a similar ailment.