to find vegans really annoying?

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Just that really. I know a few and my god do they ever preach on and on about their coconut oil macha powder cacao powder chia seed energy balls and milk industry and calves being killed etc. It's the over earnestness and attitude that they are the most enlightened people to walk this planet that wind me up. It reminds me of being 18 again.

Myope if you're concerned about agriculture taking land off animals then going vegan is the way to go. A vegan diet takes far less land than a one with meat because if you eat meat you not only have to cultivate food to feed the people but also to feed the animals who the people eat. Agriculture wasn't invented for vegans, only 8% of global soy production is fed directly to humans the rest goes to biofuel and fed to cattle.

selsigfach did your friend only start flying once she went vegan??

Have you considered that cows, pigs, chicken etc will be endangered species if everyone goes vegan?

If you want more farm animals to live, we should continue to eat them & benefit from their milk, eggs, leather, and wool

In fact I think eating dairy is worse than eating
meat from animals that are well treated because diary is so cruel.

I know this is the latest area that has come under attack, but I used to work with dairy cows. On the whole, I think they have quite a good life. The majority of male calves are not slaughtered at birth. Cows are inseminated, not raped (the process is probably not pleasant, but no worse than pregnancy diagnosis, which vets have been doing for ever).

If you are worried about ethics, personally I think intensive rearing of pigs is probably worse. If it concerns you, then perhaps avoid pork or buy it from a farm where you can see how the animals are treated.

I think the biggest debate should still be about the very intensive forms of farming. In particular, I don't like the move towards year-round cow housing. But I am no expert in that area, so it's little more than conjecture and instinct on my part. Having watched the joy of a herd of cows getting out for the first time after a long winter, it seems sad to deprive them.

What's it to you what someone else eats? If you find someone annoying, for whatever reason, then avoid them as much as possible.

This is one of the weirdest arguments against veganism that comes up. Why are you so desperate for there to be millions of farm animals in the world. Surely it's better not to have been born than to be born into an industrial farm.
You don't see most of the animals that we eat anyway because they either come from another country or are in massive fuck off sheds out of sight.
I'm sure if people were vegan there would still be animal sanctuaries etc, people like visiting and seeing animals.
Why are we not crying because we don't breed millions of blackbirds or seals or many of the other types of animals that we don't see the need to eat simply because we like having them around.

"Why are you so desperate for there to be millions of farm animals in the world."

I'm not. It's you people who want animals to live and live good lives, don't you?

"Surely it's better not to have been born than to be born into an industrial farm."

You make that decision for all farm animals, then? Would you say the same about people born deaf and blind, for example, if you feel that beings with sub-optimal living conditions should not live at all?

"I'm sure if people were vegan there would still be animal sanctuaries etc, people like visiting and seeing animals."

Hahahaha! "Sanctuaries", you say? Like, where they all live happily ever after, grazing free on green meadows? More like 2 of each in the few zoos that exist, and then you would whinge about zoos being cruel.

No of course I wouldn't say the same thing about deaf people and blind people, it's not the same thing in the slightest, how dare you twist my words like that.

Yes.

And I say that as a meat eating ex vegetarian.

HTH.

My Dh was sat at a table at a wedding with a couple who were vegan, and they were preaching to him. They obviously ordered their vegan meals, and they hadn't come.
Dh retorted to the waiting staff 'can't you just give them a pair of scissors for the grass?'
I think that shut them up?!

now this is the latest area that has come under attack, but I used to work with dairy cows. On the whole, I think they have quite a good life.

That's interesting. My main issue is the calves being taken from their mothers at an early stage and them crying and howling for their mothers. Maybe I'm just being over emotional but that sounds horrific to me. Also it is a bit off that we effectively consume another animals 'breast' milk.

Um...don't tar us all eith the same brush!

I don't preach to anyone! I happen to be a Christian too- and I don't preach about God either!

Both are about choice! The way I see it, if I go around preaching and trying to force influence the choices of others, what right to I have to complain when others look down on MY choices? That eould make me a hypocrite, no?

I find judgmental twats like you annoying.
Just sayin.

So if someone is rude or goady to a vegan it's just seen as banter but if a vegan tries to explain why they are vegan or answer a question they are seen as 'preachy'
riiiight

They obviously ordered their vegan meals, and they hadn't come.
Dh retorted to the waiting staff 'can't you just give them a pair of scissors for the grass?'

Your DH sounds so clever and witty.

I'm not twisting your words, Sentient. You say farm animals' lives are not worth living so it would be better if they were never born.

I'm asking if you would make that judgement for people whose lives are not great (according to your authoritative opinion) due to severe disabilities, or being born in a war zone, or as a girl in Syria from the wrong tribe, destined to live as a sex slave, for example.

If not, why not? Since you seem to believe that animals are just as sentient as humans, with the same right to life, and if you dare declare that animals should never be born if they won't live "good" lives, why not pass the same judgement on human beings?

Or... ... Can it be that deep inside, you know just as well as everyone else that humans are people and have rights, and animals are not and don't?

It is more complicated than animal products = bad, vegan = good.

Yes, this is what I was trying to say earlier; it bothers me when people, who claim to live cruelty free, strongly criticise people who choose a different diet to them, and then scoff down unsustainable palm oil products (for example) and tell others to do the same*.

It is more complicated than just switching animal products for the vegan version imo.

It definitely* isn't all vegans who do this. In fact, I've never met a preachy vegan ever irl.

Ugh asterix fail! Hope it makes sense.

"Also it is a bit off that we effectively consume another animals 'breast' milk."

"Off"?

Well, yeah, milk comes from mammals' breasts. Not from almonds, soya, or coconut. Surely you didn't just discover this when vegan websites started saying "Eww, it comes from an animal's breast!"

Vegans in general - probably fine. Preachy vegans who flood my Facebook feed with memes telling me that going vegan would promote world peace and therefore everyone should do it and I'm feeding my child cow pus if I let them drink milk - jog on and leave me alone! Had one the other day posting about 7 times on one of my posts insisting that I couldn't be against fox hunting unless I became vegan.

I'm sure if people were vegan there would still be animal sanctuaries etc, people like visiting and seeing animals You really have no idea do you.

In fact I think eating dairy is worse than eating meat from animals that are well treated because diary is so cruel.

Having grown up as the granddaughter of a small-scale dairy farmer, I actually find this quite offensive to my lovely, caring, unfortunately now deceased grandfather. I can't for the life of me think of anyone who cared about his animals as much as he did - and I'm absolutely including pet owners here.

I'm not at all saying farming practices can't be questioned - especially when we'receive talking industrial farming. But this is by far not a general thing.

As for vegans being annoying: my long-standing vegan friends most certainly aren't - zealous new converts to any cause, though, I'd quite like to strangle. The Facebook friend who posted the über sanctimonious 'instead of congratulating me on my birthday please consider going vegan instead' was obviously insta-blocked.

All the vegans I know are preachy. It's tiresome.

Milk tastes nasty, its only good for being turned into cheese. I'd like to try reindeer milk though.

but it's not the same thing. We are breeding those animals specifically to exploit them they are not just being born that way.
Do I think it would be better that we didn't breed humans to keep them in slavery and then eat them yes of course I do, do I mourn the lose of the hypothetical people that we don't breed to kill and eat no I don't because they are made up just like all the farm animals that haven't been bred yet.
Saying that I should support human eugenics because I don't think that people should factory farm pigs is just ludicrous. It's like saying that you're a nazi if you spay your cat.

Also seeing dairy cows go outside the first day after winter is wonderful to see, they look so excited and happy.