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To be massively unimpressed by the Autism Speaks adverts

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CommunistLegoOoOoBloc · 13/05/2017 22:07

Come on, MN. Why are you displaying adverts from such a hateful, ignorant organisation? One that advocates a cure, eugenics, is hated by so many people on the autism spectrum and fervently believes in the anti-vax movement?

Urgh.

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FanjoForTheMammaries · 14/05/2017 19:13

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autisticrat · 14/05/2017 19:15

Learning disability is not autism; it commonly happens with autism. And lots of people with "LF autism" or indeed learning disabilities are capable of understanding things like the social model of disability and the attitudes of the Deaf community. It depends on the type and severity of the LD obviously but don't underestimate people.

We're not a crowd Hmm

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PlanIsNoPlan · 14/05/2017 19:17

Questioning the motives of a poster is not the same as 'trollery' - a concept I don't truly understand. Sure, I should go off ignore and do more chores but until I have to I'd rather not.

The Trump connection - hasn't anyone noticed that he has views on autism - asking questions that counter the current status quo understanding. Didn't anyone notice his pic on the 'offending' web links?

Rightly or wrongly, one of the most powerful people on the planet has views about autism, that it needs understanding, research and assistance. His experience links autism to MMR. That is his experience (that we know so far) and I think there's more he has yet to say..

Unlikeable man that he might be, it is helpful that he speaks out about autism.

I will never tell you how you must feel, think, decide and I don't think that anyone should do the same for me. I'm capable of deciding for myself, as is my son, no matter how vulnerable we have been or are.

hazeyjane · 14/05/2017 19:18

People with learning disabilities can and do advocate for themselves.

And how is Downs Syndrome like cancer?

autisticrat · 14/05/2017 19:20

I'm afraid I have no idea what you're on about Plan. Those chores won't wait forever, you know…

PlanIsNoPlan · 14/05/2017 19:23

Autiscrat - that would be because you haven't read the whole thread and if you had then you would note that my sporadic posts are due to having to do chores, some involving my autistic son that most parents of NT dc don't have to do.

bigmouthstrikesagain · 14/05/2017 19:23

I am not sure if 'high functioning' autistic people always have great life experiences - many are depressed and have found working full time or at all very difficult. High and low functioning is not descriptive of how good your life is going to be. If your needs are not being met, if you are isolated, anxious, socially awkward and misunderstood throughout your life - as many, mostly undiagnosed adult autistic people can be (particularly women). Then they will not say that Autism has been fantastic - but as it is a developmental condition it is how they have been treated that needed to change - finding a 'cure' is not viable. But changing the way people with Autism are viewed and understood and supported (and improving the respite / support for their families) could make a huge difference. I don't see that change coming from the likes of Autism Speaks.

autisticrat · 14/05/2017 19:25

I have indeed read the whole thread; that doesn't make your post of 19.17 any more comprehensible.

manicinsomniac · 14/05/2017 19:26

Thanks to all those who have taken the time to give their indight; much appreciated.

hazey - only in that they're both conditions rather than characteristics/identities

MrsPeelyWaly · 14/05/2017 19:26

I thinks it is one of the thinks you need to have been through to understand

I understand which is why I never argue the toss in these kinds of threads because for the most part people dont have much of an idea re autism at this end of the spectrum along with other co-morbids that will more than likely come into play once a person is older. To be frank I don't talk about it to people who are not part of our family and friends or daily life because its horrific and there is not a thing we can do about it. It is what it is and I can safely say that at 26 my sons brain is too big for us and we are well and truly defeated.

My sons life is far from the life I thought we would have when he was little. All we can do for him is give him as comfortable and happy life as possible and save him from himself. We also have to save me and his full time team of 2-1 round the clock carers from him as well on a day when if its not his frontal lobe epilepsy causing the most awful self harm and aggression, its his autism or his tourettes or his delusions and psychosis. Or maybe its everything at once.

My son has never been to school, he's been at home with me, he's travelled the world visiting steam trains and having great holidays, any intervention he's had has been hand picked by us and we've either flown him to see someone or we've brought people to see him. We once had a team of 3 sensory integrationists from the Uk living with us for 3 months in order to try and work out just what was happening to him when he started to become so unwell at about 19. When they left we then followed them to the Uk and we stayed next to the clinic for another 4. It was only when we did that that we could see that what was presenting at sensory issues and causing great distress was in fact something way more than that.

My son can no longer travel, not even with me and 3 carers going with him and travelling in first or business class to reduce the strain on him. His last journey was very difficult and I know the co-pilot did few walk arounds before we took off in order to see how he was. Someone had complained about his Tourettes. Then when we got home my flight deck crew children said to me we love our brother but we are telling you he can no longer be taken on an aircraft, its not safe, and we are making the decision for you because we know you will always try another one more time for him. They then told me what would happen if he had a frontal lobe epileptic fit or a meltdown and the plane had to be diverted and it was far from pleasant. But to be honest It was a bloody great relief to be told he cant go even though to this day my heart breaks when he's asking when he's going to Llangollen to the steam train.

My son lives at home with me and his team of 2-1 round the clock carers in a custom built house that was built to suit his needs. Its also for extended family living and one day one of my children and their family will come to live with us him. I can only hope his health doesn't deteriorate anymore though to be honest the signs are not good.

He does get out and about, he goes to the gym 4 times a week for his personal crossfit training, they close the gym for him or else she couldn't cope, he goes to his siblings and takes pizza he's made for his nieces and nephews, he swims and walks about 5 kms per day. He swears like a trooper and no, its not his tourettes, he just likes to say fuck and he can sing whole songs made up entirely of fuck to things like Baabaa Black Sheep. He does the most complex of jigsaws in the blink of an eye and 1000 pieces is a small one. He's always out and about in the community, going to the shops etc, and he meets with nothing but kindness in life. In fact its Ramadan soon and my neighbours know how much he loves a Samboosa and every night there will be Samboosa delivered to the door for him. No he's not fasting, people just like to send a Samboosa for him. He loves to eat out and when we take him to one particular hotel for breakfast the staff no that when he says 3 croissant, 3 cheese, he means just that. They also know that if he also then says 4 hash brown, 4 turkey bacon, 4 chicken sausage, that thats what he wants - he is not getting confused with 4 on a day of 3.

Ive never looked for a cure for my son. I was around back in the day when all this chelation and stuff first surfaced and it scared me witless but if I had access to pre-natal testing and I was young enough to have more children I wouldn't thing twice about having the screening done. I wouldn't bring another child like my son to the world for all the money in the world because I wouldn't wish his life on anyone. Yes, Ive had carers in place for 3 years now but this is not about us its about my son and his life is awful even with everything we can out in place for him. He makes my heart singbut as I said before - I wouldn't wish this life on anyone.

bubblesagain · 14/05/2017 19:26

His experience links autism to MMR.
and?
Did I miss the memo of Trump being a doctor, a scientist, a specialist or researcher in austism?

Vaccines do not cause autism, I'll trust science over trump. How is it helpful to scare parents away from getting vaccines.

MrsPeelyWaly · 14/05/2017 19:29

With the greatest of respect to all here and everywhere that live with autism I think we've all been 'had'. I question the purpose and placement of OP's post and welcome his/her's explanation of why she/he finds it so important. Rather than quietly report it without a fuss...

I agree but to be honest I don't give a shite about their motives.

PlanIsNoPlan · 14/05/2017 19:31

Well autiscrat why don't you come round and give me a hand? Autism isn't something we have to wear as a nametag - it works for you then great, carry on. It's just something we do, maybe someone like you can help my son live more independently? That would be nice.....in my dreams.

Meanwhile, I haven't noticed that my brain has ceased functioning and whilst it doesn't necessarily make sense to you, it doesn't have to.

DixieNormas · 14/05/2017 19:31

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bigmouthstrikesagain · 14/05/2017 19:42

It sounds like you have given your son the most amazing life possible in incredibly difficult circumstances MrsPeely You are right of course, only people who have truly experienced living with that level of disability could truly understand.

RoseGoldProsecco · 14/05/2017 19:49

Thank you to OP and everyone who has commented for this thread - I had no idea what autism speaks did; I had simply seen them on fb from time to time and assumed they must be a force for good (as most links are posted by a friend with a son who has autism). This has been hugely eye opening and I will know never ever to share any of their shit Sad

PlanIsNoPlan · 14/05/2017 19:52

Hi Dixie - I don't think that one is necessarily connected to the other either and nor should they be - or in fact anything - it's possible to think one thing about something and to think another thing about something else and the combination to not automatically mean you think in a particular way.

Trump does question the MMR vax and he is pictured on Autism Speaks webpages - I suspect there is a connection here that explains the original source of vitriol - but it's only a suspicion.

All my posts are in regards to the OP asking why MN has allowed
such a "vile" organization to advertise.

Since then, leaping over all debate, I can not see this Ad on MN using PC with Firefox; OP advised MN she was seeing it using her iphone via Chrome. Have other MNers seen the banner ad here and what were they using when they saw it?

wizzywig · 14/05/2017 19:54

I havent read the whole thread, i have a child with lf asd. But he is my son. I get pissed off with this curing asd shit. Yes id have preferred it if he didnt have it. But i know id be a an ignorant cow who would judge others had he not come into my life. He is who he is. What really angers me are some and i stress some parents of those with hfa who object to their child going to groups with lf kids and/or dont want their kids going to special school. They dont want their kids picking up bad habits. Yet if their kid is isolated in mainstream sch, they dont like it.

bubblesagain · 14/05/2017 20:00

I suspect there is a connection here that explains the original source of vitriol - but it's only a suspicion.
oh ffs. Yes thats the only reason we all dislike it, some vague connection to Trump, who got in what a couple of months ago? Autism speaks has long been viewed with Hmm by lots in the autism community

CommunistLegoOoOoBloc · 14/05/2017 20:00
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JustAnotherSilentOldNumber · 14/05/2017 20:35

why MN has allowed such a "vile" organization to advertise.

They don't actually chose the adverts, They get paid by a company which sends targeted ads to MN users based on stuff they type, they just sell this third party company some space.

autisticrat · 14/05/2017 20:36

Gosh, Plan, how nice of you to offer to have me round. Unfortunately, I'm not so great at the independent living thing myself, as my partner and carer could probably tell you. So you crack on and I'll come round for a cup of tea instead.

I'm sorry that you feel that your post doesn't have to make sense to me. Personally, when I post, I try and make my meaning as clear as possible to the people reading it.

Re: my name - I use it only when discussing something specifically relating to autism, just so that people know where I'm coming from right off the bat. I don't stroll around shouting it out from the rooftops.

Dawndonnaagain · 14/05/2017 20:48

I hope other people are reading this. People with no experience of autism.
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