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To hate "think 25" guidance

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FairiesAlwaysWearBlue · 13/05/2017 16:34

Im 28 and look my age! I'm ten years over the legal drinking age and Waitrose wouldn't let me buy a bottle of cider!

Yes I know I should have had ID but I don't drive so no license and I don't often have my passport with me.

I was looking forward to my bottle of cider as a treat for working hard in the library earlier today.

Yes you should protect underage children from buying alcohol but IABU to be annoyed with "think 25" now means everyone needs to show ID?

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Railgunner1 · 13/05/2017 18:46

When i buy booze/dvd's i go to cashiers who i know to be friendly.
Because in our local supermarket we have some cows who have this shitty attitude 'i will cause you inconvenience just because i can'

I'm 30+

FairiesAlwaysWearBlue · 13/05/2017 18:47

@NotACleverName I would totally expect to get ID'd buying a knife!

It was meant to have been an impulse purchase.

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blackcherries · 13/05/2017 18:49

Can't believe people still want mandatory ID cards after the scale of the recent hacking and holding data to ransom. As soon as ID cards are mandatory everything will rely on them 'for security'. Then once hacked we are all screwed.

FairiesAlwaysWearBlue · 13/05/2017 18:50

Blackcherry seems it's already required for lots of things.

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dotandstripe · 13/05/2017 18:51

I was IDd for super glue last year. I was 33 at the time. FML.

dotandstripe · 13/05/2017 18:51

I was IDd for super glue last year. I was 33 at the time. FML.

BubbleBed · 13/05/2017 18:57

I'm 34 and forever being asked for ID. It's silly tbh. The legal age is 18. They should be challenging people who look under 21, under 25 at a push. There is no way a cashier would be fined for selling me alcohol with no ID. I'm 34 and clearly, clearly, over 18.

HainaultViaNewburyPark · 13/05/2017 18:59

I got ID'd buying sherry the other week. I'm in my 40s. Does anyone under 25 actually drink sherry? Confused

HainaultViaNewburyPark · 13/05/2017 18:59

I got ID'd buying sherry the other week. I'm in my 40s. Does anyone under 25 actually drink sherry? Confused

C0untDucku1a · 13/05/2017 18:59

dotandstripe are you on glue?!

BasketOfDeplorables · 13/05/2017 19:05

Purple - you're exactly right, but the shops have included otc painkillers in their challenge 25 policy so they are choosing to ID anyone who they believe may be 25 or younger for paracetamol and ibuprofen, which have no age requirements.

snotato · 13/05/2017 19:23

I can't remember the last time I was asked for I.d. and I'm only 29 ffs

Louiselouie0890 · 13/05/2017 19:28

Yabu it's to protect everyone as a member of staff can get in serious trouble if they sell to underage. I used to always I.D unless really blatantly obvious as I'm not getting fined for nobdy

Teabagtits · 13/05/2017 19:30

I'm 40something and get id'd under challenge 25 - thankfully I always have my driving licence but ffs I look considerably older than 18 and 25

EverythingEverywhere1234 · 13/05/2017 19:39

I DOnt know why people get embarrassed... they're just doing their jobs! I bought some filter tips for my DP the other day (I don't smoke). I'm 23 and got IDd. Admittedly i was make up free and in a hoodie BUT this is the village shop where I go, on average, at least once a week 😂

AlexaAmbidextra · 13/05/2017 19:43

You just wait until you're wandering through a shopping centre and get stopped by someone selling funeral plans. Makes you feel marvellous. Grin

BasketOfDeplorables · 13/05/2017 19:49

It's the mission creep that's annoying. They want to stop under 18s buying alcohol, so make everyone who looks 25 and under prove they're over 18. Fair enough.

But I'm in my 30s and have had conversations where they've said I look like I'm in my 20s so need to show ID to prove I am. FOR CALPOL. That's nothing to do with the law, it's just a stupid policy, and I think it's wrong for a store to act like it's the law and part of challenge 25. I'm not blaming the cashiers, as they've obviously been badly trained, although most of them are around 18 and I definitely knew what I was allowed to buy and what I wasn't when I was that age.

QuimWilde · 13/05/2017 19:56

DH gets IDd all the time. Especially in our local Aldi, for some reason. He's 33 and they know we're a married couple, but still they ID him. He doesn't have a driving licence and clearly doesn't carry his passport to work with him so if he pops in on his way home to pick up a bottle of wine he won't have ID. And it's not and miss as to whether he'll be IDd anyway, so he just chances it.

When he said to one member of staff look, I've been coming here for years, you know my wife and me, you know I'm not 17, I'm clearly in my 30s, he was told that yes, they knew all that. But they had to be seen to be doing the right thing. Wtf?

Also once I was threatened with the police for attempting to pay for a can of craft beer in B&M because DD was with me and they insisted I was buying it for her. She was 18 at the time but didn't carry ID because she doesn't need it - she doesn't drink. It was horrible and embarrassing and I'll never go in there again Angry

maggienolia · 13/05/2017 20:06

A while ago there was a store near Harlow that absolutely refused sales of alcohol without proof of age.
Even the 80 year olds from the local residential home were refused sherry.
It ended up on the local news.

rararaa · 13/05/2017 20:13

Someone upthread mentioned the "testers" being 17/18 year olds. When I was at uni I did mystery shopping until I was 22, going to tescos and buying alcohol and sweets and I had to report back with who served me and did they ID me. So if the store has a think 21 policy they will still get a bollocking from upper management if they sell to a 19 year old without checking their ID.

The most annoying ID experience I had was when I came back from Uni for xmas and got ID'd at waitrose when I forgot my drivers license, the person IDing me went to school with me! I asked did he not remember me and he hesitated but a manager was hovering ( i think he had just started and was in training) and I didn't want to get him in trouble so I said forget it.

My nearest tesco got in trouble for selling to underage people and started a "think 30" campaign for a while!

Like someone says though, the person serving can lose their job and/or get fined. Be mad at the policy, not the person serving.

Railgunner1 · 13/05/2017 20:28

I DOnt know why people get embarrassed... they're just doing their jobs!

Because the shitty attitude and speaking manners of some staff. I don't drive, and i certainly don't carry my passport to shops. And i'm not a citizen so i can't get that card they advertise for over 18s.
I understand that cashier is a crap job, and one gets pushed around a lot, but to take it out on customers because 'you see, i can push you over as well because i can' is really not on. And then they tell you 'its a compliment when people think you're so young'. FFS when you have grey hair. Its not 'doing a job', its taking a piss Hmm

FairiesAlwaysWearBlue · 13/05/2017 20:31

Yep @Railgunner1 it's the policy I'm annoyed at. I get we need to stop underage drinking but there is no space for common sense in these thing any more.

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melj1213 · 13/05/2017 20:33

Test purchasers are 16/17 YOs who may or may not look 18+. They are not people in their mid 30s who may look 24 in a darkened room.

Actually, some stores (mine included) will send in their own test purchasers, and employ Mystery Shopping Companies to do the same, where they send in people who are over 18 but look under 25 (including some places that will send in 26/27 year olds who look under 25) ... if you don't ID them then you fail your test purchase, even though they are not under age, and you will be subject to your store's disciplinary procedure. If you fail one test then you'll get a written warning on your file ... if you fail another within 12 months you can lose your job.

Then there's the impact on a store as a whole - if you fail 3 test purchases in a row then the store will be put under investigation and will have even more test purchasers sent in than usual. Fail another test purchase in the next 3 months and there are all sorts of serious consequences including staff losing their jobs, the store being fined and loss of licences. And that is on top of the county council and police test purchases where they send in genuinely underage customers to buy things, which risks personal fines and loss of jobs too.

It's silly tbh. The legal age is 18. They should be challenging people who look under 21, under 25 at a push.

That is how the policy is put into practice ... when it was "Think 21" far too many people were slipping through the net though because a 16/17 year old and a 21 year old look far more similar than a 16yr old and a 25 year old, and a lot of late teens - especially girls with lots of make up etc - can easily make themselves look a couple of years older, so they widened the gap. So when a customer appears, we are trained not to think "Do they look over 16/18?" but "Do they look 25?".

The policy unfortunately is not infallible as it relies on the cashier's judgement - I'm 27 so I have a policy of anyone who looks younger than me will get ID'ed ... no ID? No service. I don't care if you're 29 with your child ... your child is not ID any more than your insistence of your age is (Just like my 8yo DD proves nothing beyond the fact I had a child 8 years ago).

I have in the past ID'ed a guy I thought was 25, the store had just failed a test purchase so our managers were cracking down on lax application of the policy, I asked for his ID just to be on the safe side ... turns out he'd only turned 21 a few months previously. Another time I ID'ed a girl I thought was maybe 19 ... she was 25.

I tend to find, as a cashier who works the customer service desk and lottery/cigarette kiosk so deal with ID'ing people multiple times a day, that most people are actually pretty good about having their ID on them, but if they don't have ID I have found that the older a customer claims to be, the more argumentative and demanding they tend to be. Now this is purely from my own experience but if I ask a younger person for ID and they realise they don't have it the exchange usually goes:

"Can I have 20 Sterling Dual please?"
"Sure, can I just see your ID first, please?"
"Shit, I forgot to bring it with me"
"Sorry, I can't serve you without your ID"
"Yeah, no worries. I'll nip home and get it/get my fags later"

However, with a lot of "older" customers the conversation usually ends with them demanding the manager (who, in my store at least, will always 100% back up the colleague when it comes to the Challenge 25 policy):

"Can I have 20 Sterling Dual please?"
"Sure, can I just see your ID first, please?"
"Are you joking?! I'm 27!"
"Sorry, you look under 25 to me, so I have to ID you"
"Well I'm 27, this is a joke! I've got my daughter/son/mum here - mum, tell them I'm 27!"
"I'm 27 as well, I still get ID'ed sometimes so I know it's a pain but now that I have asked to see your ID I can't sell you any cigarettes until I have seen it."
"Fine, I'll just go over there and get the other woman to serve me"
"You won't be able to do that as I will be informing her that you have failed to provide ID when asked and are trying to evade the rules"
"This is awful, you're embarrassing me in front of all these other people, I want to see a manager, this is terrible customer service!"

Occasionally I have even resorted to asking the customer to tell me how old they think I am before telling them my actual age in order to try and get them to understand that it's not always easy to guage how old someone is from a quick glance. I have had answers ranging from 20 (I wish I still looked that young!) to late thirties (rude!) but even the "late thirties" guess shows that someone can easily be 10 years out with a guesstimation of age based on their perception of what age you look. I'd rather risk the earful off pissed off customers than risk my job and if you are the 29 yo mum who unfortunately gets IDed for your wine, sorry but your wine will have to wait until you have your ID on you.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 13/05/2017 20:34

Yes YABU.

But that's only because I'm a 30year old smug arse who recently got IDd buying a basic cutlery set.

Practically skipped out of there me! Grin

missymayhemsmum · 13/05/2017 20:34

DD (24 at the time) and I went to aldi to get a few beers in one weekend. They refused to serve him without ID, then refused to serve me too as I might be buying it for him! Just silly.

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