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To think Kris Jenner should be bloody well ashamed of herself?

96 replies

WanderingNotLost · 11/05/2017 23:36

And Caitlyn too, FWIW..

Warning: Daily Mail link

This girl is nineteen. NINETEEN and already she's had lip fillers, breast implants and fat injections into her bum, so many procedures that she's unrecognisable from the beautiful young woman she used to be. How much of a complex about her looks must she have grown up with, to have jumped straight into all this as soon as she was old enough?? And tragically, she's being held up as someone for teenage girls to look up to, and aspire to be like. It makes me feel sick.

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BillSykesDog · 12/05/2017 01:01

What so many people gloss over is that this girl directly affects how my 14 year old niece feels about herself and her body

Maybe you should be telling your niece that her body is her own and she has the right to do what she wants with it and appear how she wants and that other people's opinions are irrelevant. Y'know, like yours on Kendall?

avamiah · 12/05/2017 01:02

Wandering,
My point is that Kris in my opinion only cares about money and fame and maybe she knew all along that Bruce wasn't happy being Bruce but she didn't care at the time as she needed him to be the loving husband and not tell the World he wanted to be somebody else.
The same with Kim and her sex tape .

PaulAnkaTheDog · 12/05/2017 01:05

avamiah your comment is an insult to transgender people. The idea that a shitty relationship could make someone go 'fuck this, I'm swapping gender' is so massively insulting to people who are transgender.

SuperBeagle · 12/05/2017 01:08

Has your 14yo niece actually said she looks up to Kylie/Kendal/whoever? Or are you just assuming that she must because she's a 14yo girl?

PaulAnkaTheDog · 12/05/2017 01:09

avamiah they had two children together. They were married and a couple. You cannot blame her for him being transgender. I've reported your posts, they're just wrong and frankly idiotic.

CoolCarrie · 12/05/2017 01:10

Wank fodder is what the K / J girls have become. They want to appeal to some groups of men who like their type, and now the brother has joined the band wagon with his off on ex stripper girlfriend. They are all trailer trash, and the ex Bruce is a selfish sad person.

avamiah · 12/05/2017 01:11

PaulAnka,
Really is that so?
Why are you transgender?
Do you feel like my posts have insulted you?
That is my opinion.
I'm sorry if you feel offended.

Italiangreyhound · 12/05/2017 01:13

Totally agree with Birdsgottaf1y

"Him becoming a Woman says nothing about her confused.
He became a an extreme version of a Glamour Model, from that, it looks like they are getting unhelpful messages about what being a woman, is,from both Parents."

Italiangreyhound · 12/05/2017 01:14

BillSykesDog

"Maybe you should be telling your niece that her body is her own and she has the right to do what she wants with it and appear how she wants and that other people's opinions are irrelevant."

Maybe as a society we should not be telling young women that they need fucking massive amounts of plastic surgery and rewarding them for having it done. It's really very sad.

avamiah · 12/05/2017 01:14

PaulAnka,
That's for you to do .
I've reported your posts as well so let's see who's posts gets deleted.

Oswin · 12/05/2017 01:15

Really aha you think she's a villain of their relationship.
When he's the one that secretly dressed up in her kids clothes. Nah.

CoolCarrie · 12/05/2017 01:16

And it's not because he became a she that I say this, it is because she/he is a weak, selfish, self involved person, who has allowed his/her daughters to be pimped out by their mother, and he/ she was a crap father to his/ her other children too.

avamiah · 12/05/2017 01:20

Oswin,
I just think that she knew about Bruce for a long time.
Who knows really?
But let's be honest they have become very very rich.

CoolCarrie · 12/05/2017 01:24

I don't think they are as well off as they would like us to think, lots of smoke and mirrors

OkPedro · 12/05/2017 01:32

How sad billsykes that you or any woman feels she needs bigger lips, boobs, bum. I'm far from a confident "happy in my own skin"person but I genuinely would not have surgery no matter how much money I had.
Do you not think the problem is how women think they should look and how we are expected to look?
How many women compared to men have cosmetic surgery? How many men feel the pressure we do as women to look "perfect"

Scrumpernickel · 12/05/2017 01:35

Kylie's new supersized lips may look okay in photoshopped photos but I saw her being interviewed recently, and when she talks her lips look like the most fake misshapen things. She now looks like a Beverley Hills housewife in her mid thirties rather than a 20 yr old.

Scrumpernickel · 12/05/2017 01:38

What work does pp think Kendall has had done? She looks fairly natural to me

She isn't going for the blow up doll aesthetic, the opposite of that, so she's had very subtle work done. Definitely her nose, but possibly lips too.

Italiangreyhound · 12/05/2017 01:40

Scrumpernickel "She now looks like a Beverley Hills housewife in her mid thirties rather than a 20 yr old." I do think it is true that a lot of 'work', even a lot of make up, tends to age women a lot.

A photo shoot is not real life.

BillSykesDog · 12/05/2017 01:41

Maybe as a society we should not be telling young women that they need fucking massive amounts of plastic surgery and rewarding them for having it done. It's really very sad.

But Kylie Jenner largely makes her money from other women. They buy her make up range, they watch the programmes, they buy the magazines, they buy the apps.

Humans compete to get the best mate by looking sexually attractive and there's very little that can be done about that. So a lot of women are interested in looking sexually attractive and consume these products.

I don't really see how a load of feminists getting angry about a young woman doing what she wants with her own body is any different from someone telling another woman she should be a size 8 and wearing a string bikini. It's nobody's business except the person who owns that body.

How come if you want an abortion it's all 'your body, your choice' but if you want bigger tits you have to get the approval of feminists? And why are Emma Watson's tits 'art' but Kylie's are trash apart from the obvious race and class?

I feel very uncomfortable with the need some women have to condemn other women for appearing sexually attractive. It seems to come from the same place as the school of thought that wraps women in burkas. 'If you have sexuality you are worthless'.

Scrumpernickel · 12/05/2017 01:43

And why are Emma Watson's tits 'art' but Kylie's are trash apart from the obvious race and class?

Race? They're both white.

Scrumpernickel · 12/05/2017 01:45

And I'm sure I saw a long running thread on MN where people were aghast at Emma Watson's bare tits. Plus she came in for a lot of grief on social media. So I'm not sure everyone saw it as art.

Ciaovenora · 12/05/2017 01:46

Actually, Carrie they are beyond rich the amount of money that family makes for what they do is astounding a low ball figure for the kids alone is in the region of a 100 million per year.

Take, Scott D Korts Ex, he was rich in his own right, he gets paid between 50/100K per night club appearance that is simply because of his association with that family brand. I think its insane that people pay to see reality stars at clubs this is the world we now live in.

What ever you think about them ( I'm no fan) on a personal level you have to give it to them for their ability to make money, they have monetized every single thing they can.

BillSykesDog · 12/05/2017 01:51

How sad billsykes that you or any woman feels she needs bigger lips, boobs, bum. I'm far from a confident "happy in my own skin"person but I genuinely would not have surgery no matter how much money I had.

Well that's up to you. But why should your choices about your own body mean that my own choices about my own body should be dictated by you?

It's interesting you assume I would have my breasts made bigger. You haven't assumed I wouldn't have them reduced - this is exactly what I mean, it's a condemnation of other women because they are making a choice to look sexually attractive.

And all this stuff about 'society shouldn't tell women how they should look' stuff is bullshit. If people really believed that they wouldn't be trying to impose their own view of how women should be onto other women.

And really, this is just a very fancy pile of slut shaming dressed up as feminism.

newbian · 12/05/2017 01:53

BillSykesDog And why are Emma Watson's tits 'art' but Kylie's are trash apart from the obvious race and class?

Kylie and Kendall Jenner are white, their older siblings are half-Armenian (which is also white but I guess more "ethnic").

Italiangreyhound · 12/05/2017 01:55

BillSykesDog "Humans compete to get the best mate by looking sexually attractive and there's very little that can be done about that."

I don't think that is true, many men are not fabulous looking and spend much less time and effort on their appearance yet women flock to them and marry them, I don't know because they are nice, or kind or funny etc. And actually quite a few men manage to marry women who have not had shed loads of plastic surgery.

And the aren't most of the women we are discussing here single, anyway?

"So a lot of women are interested in looking sexually attractive and consume these products. " I think it is way more complex than that.

"I don't really see how a load of feminists getting angry about a young woman doing what she wants with her own body is any different from someone telling another woman she should be a size 8 and wearing a string bikini. It's nobody's business except the person who owns that body." What a massively simplistic view on life. Why do you think those women want to be so thin in their string bikinis? Don't you think it is a bit more complex than what they want. They probably want a nice pub lunch but they have ought into the madness that is their value being on their appearance alone. I think feminists can help quite a lot of women see beyond that bullshit.

"How come if you want an abortion it's all 'your body, your choice' but if you want bigger tits you have to get the approval of feminists?"

No one needs feminists approval to get a boob job, you do know that yeh?

"Emma Watson's tits" aren't art to me.

No idea what race either of them are, so you think this is all about class?

"I feel very uncomfortable with the need some women have to condemn other women for appearing sexually attractive."

I've not condemned anyone at all, I think the system that encourages women to undergo needs and dangerous surgery is very wrong. I certainly would not nor could not stop anyone having a boob job, but I think it is fucking sad that anyone would increase her chances of back pain by having her boobs enlarged to attract a man or otherwise.

"It seems to come from the same place as the school of thought that wraps women in burkas. 'If you have sexuality you are worthless'."

No idea how you get from thinking dangerous and expensive unnecessary surgery on women is a bad thing to thinking that they should wear burkas.

Women don't wake up and think oh I fancy having my tits sliced open and filled with padding. Society relentlessly tells them they are not worth much unless they fit the mold.

I don't condem the women who fall for that shit, I feel sorry that any woman every had to be modified when she has a normal face or body. For people who do genuinely need surgery for their lives then that is a very different thing.

I think it is massive shame doctors are wasting their talents turning women into barbies when people are in need of genuine medical life saving help.

But who cares what I think, I am off to bed, me and my small, perfectly formed tits!!

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